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Ice Beam + Gravity Suit before Thardus using Triple Jump (v. 3.0)
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| From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/31/2003 7:00:00 PM |
| Yep, this is the 3rd thread of the topic where the non-linearity of the game came into the public eye (thanks to Banks!). The tricks discovered include getting the ice beam, gravity suit, plasma beat, etc before Thardus, getting the space jump before flaaghra, getting numerous missile expansions out of order, getting the wavebuster early, entering the phazon mines without going through the frigate, beating the game without the grapple beam, and much much more! To learn how to do these tricks, go to: http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid --- ABICDEAFGHMIJKSLMNAOPQTRSTAUVWNXYZ http://www.dallasmac.com/acc/catalog.php?user=137 |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 7:01:47 PM |
| Credit goes to where it's deserved. Everyone who started the initial Triple Bomb Jump talk, kip, amasawa, devilbit, tlj, and others. If you have questions about the method used on the web site, as well as ideas or experiments of your own, please post them here. --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 7:07:37 PM |
| and we have free cake and punch for eveyone :) --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 7:12:42 PM |
| Oh, and i must thank l2ag3 for his new and easier method of getting into the furnace pipe. Just found today =p --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: VGS | Posted: 1/31/2003 7:19:09 PM |
| Hey, good job on the site. :-) --- GamingWorldX.com - So Many Games, So Little Time |
| From: Cyberclaw | Posted: 1/31/2003 7:57:16 PM |
| Yeah, you guys have done some pretty amazing things. --- <(**)> |
| From: Ragnarok72 | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:01:31 PM |
| I just read what I think was l2ag3's method for getting the Ice Beam. I swear, that was so frickin' ingenious; completely in the "Now WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT?!" category. :) |
| From: sevensc | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:03:35 PM |
| is it ok if i rip off your site and make something like this if i give all credit to the right people? http://primediscoveries.tripod.com only the techniques section has some info and stuff but all the links work. if you want me to destroy this before i go anyfurther, just say so, and i might. |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:06:16 PM |
| you can put my technique there as long as you give me lots of credit :). LOTS DAMNIT, LOTS! --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:34:16 PM |
| Do you need the super missile to destroy the pillar in the Triclops pit? Or will a couple of normal missiles break it open for the missile expansion. --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:35:49 PM |
| normal missiles work there. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Malos | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:40:55 PM |
| banks17: what was his method? i beat the plant dude and got the wave beam and space boots. i'm in the furnace place. i have an energy tank and 10 missiles (is that good or bad... some people here want to get low percentages, some want high) i need help ! |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:46:59 PM |
| whos method? --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:47:28 PM |
| WOOHOO!!!!! GO l2ag3!!!! It took me about 1 minute to get his method down, and more than an hour before I managed to do a crappy tbj... I better watch zell's video again. Also about space jump, please please please don't let the tiny little pebble behind the ship be the rock you're supposed to tbj off of for space jump b4 flaahgra... please (sob) PS: Oh, btw, nice witty 500th post on v 2.0, banks PPS: Can I have some of that punch and cake? --- Congratulations! You have won $1,000,000 from a lottery you didn't enter!! Send me $240,000 to pay the taxes and claim the prize!! |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:50:48 PM |
| only if your feeling specail --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:51:05 PM |
| doing tbj's seem alot easier now that i don't have to do it =p I just got into the furnace right after getting the morph ball bombs because i wanted to see if i could use the track jump without space jump. Looks like i can't but tbj always works =p --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:53:37 PM |
| about space jump, please please please don't let the tiny little pebble behind the ship be the rock you're supposed to tbj off of for space jump b4 flaahgra... please (sob) LOL. That sounds like me, every day that I remember all over again just how insane the conditions for that jump are, right before Gunpei Yokoi's ghost sticks his head out of the GCN and starts laughing at me again. hey Banks, you're going for maximum items before Thardus? That's cool; you're gonna have even more of a field day with him. =) I remember getting 125 missiles on one run; I think it's in one of the pics on the site, so I know you can get at least half of 'em, but I think that might have been before this plasma beam before Thardus chicanery. Don't forget about that one you figured out how to get without the grapple beam and the power bomb exp there either (the ones before the training chamber) --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:57:02 PM |
| heh. I'm laughing. >< I think I'm just gonna pass on that trick... I think I'll stick to easier stuff PS: I'm feeling very special. Now can I have some cake? --- Congratulations! You have won $1,000,000 from a lottery you didn't enter!! Send me $240,000 to pay the taxes and claim the prize!! |
| From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:57:47 PM |
| also, who's Gunpei Yokoi, and why is his ghost laughing at you? --- Congratulations! You have won $1,000,000 from a lottery you didn't enter!! Send me $240,000 to pay the taxes and claim the prize!! |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:58:13 PM |
| does plasma beam hurt thardus? --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: keybladeswordsman | Posted: 1/31/2003 8:58:57 PM |
| dbj off the rock in front of the ship? Are you kidding? I get better chances dbjm off the back of the ship. Please tell me an easier way to get there because I'm going to Phendrana w/o the varia suit. Thank whoever can help |
| From: Malos | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:01:17 PM |
| 12ag3, i need help with ur ice beam spider track method. i can stay up there, and almost got in the hole once, but the boost ball flings me down to the ground....???? |
| From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:05:30 PM |
| [This message was deleted at the request of the original poster] |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:06:20 PM |
| dont charge up the boost ball to the max, just as little as possable. make sure your tilting the control stick the right way too. --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:13:05 PM |
| Oops, I just realised what you meant. (...I think... O_o) You don;t need the boost ball. I didn't use it at all to get into the furnace. Just aim towards the hole and you'll go in. --- Congratulations! You have won $1,000,000 from a lottery you didn't enter!! Send me $240,000 to pay the taxes and claim the prize!! |
| From: sevensc | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:13:23 PM |
| will someone kill me if i rip off the other site and make one like this, if so, i better go hire some ninjas.... http://primediscoveries.tripod.com |
| From: SolrFlare | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:24:30 PM |
| In regards to the earlier post about whether or not the plasma beam hurts Thardus....heheheh...it not only hurts him, it makes mincemeat of him. Just like the Ice beam, a single shot from the plasma will take out those boulders he sends at you...and 3 charged plasma shots can take out a blue glowing joint. Thardus no likey the Plasma :) |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:28:41 PM |
| "PS: Oh, btw, nice witty 500th post on v 2.0, banks " Yeah, i didn't want some guy bumping 5 posts just so he could go: YAY 500 POST FO ME PLZ K THX~ And should my little *get everything before thardus guide* include artifacts? --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:33:27 PM |
| well artifacts are "something"s arnt they? --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:43:22 PM |
| Alright, i guess i'll have to modify my order some then. (like not getting the wavebuster untill you've gotten the gravity suit, etc.) --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:49:37 PM |
| why dont you put the artifacts in a different section? just put where they would be in the main part of the faq (like "get this artifact between super missles and thermal visor" or something) --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: sevensc | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:53:06 PM |
| in case you guys havent noticed: http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid is too wide for 800x600 so i am making a site that works for all resolutions. its the one in my sig. check it as see if it is even worth my time. --- ~tips, tricks and other things i didn't make up myself~ http://primediscoveries.tripod.com |
| From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:55:36 PM |
| Anyone who is newbie enough to use 800x600 doesn't deserve to read it =P --- ABICDEAFGHMIJKSLMNAOPQTRSTAUVWNXYZ http://www.dallasmac.com/acc/catalog.php?user=137 |
| From: sevensc | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:58:16 PM |
| i dont use it and i ain't no newb. --- ~tips, tricks and other things i didn't make up myself~ http://primediscoveries.tripod.com |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:01:12 PM |
| The more and more we break down this game, the more like it seems it was intentional. Like getting the wavebuster without the spider ball. The track just HAPPENS to hang down low so you can jump on it. --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:05:20 PM |
| i started to wonder that when i was gettin the plasma beam early. there just HAPPENS to be a box AND a pillar you can stand on, which has a jump thats JUST far enough to land on one of the platforms, AND being able to walk around the edges and being able to jump on the square thing to get to the door. --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Psycho Falcon | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:15:30 PM |
| Wow... Thank you and congratulations to Kip, Amasawa, DEVILBIT, zell99, and all the rest. I've been following this since the first topic was just started and I must say that these discoveries are absolutely amazing! Hats off to everyone involved! ...Sorry about that. Anyway, I just had something to add, (Thanks to l2ag3) concerning the furnace spider track. On my way through my first and rather relaxed attempt at 27%, I was trying out l2ag3's method and came across something entirely by accident. While I was setting up as he described, I began to WALK UP the black border on the left side of the spider track. Surpised, I faltered and fell to the ground, but upon re-locating the spot I was able to repeatedly back away and turn around, hten find the spot again within a few seconds, even though it is rather precise. To walk the track the center of the black "border" on the left must be in the center of the screen. Once you have found the right spot, all you do is hold forward until you are high enough jump off, morph, and roll in. Once the spot is found, the walk is simple, and feels a lot like climbing a ladder on a computer FPS. The main reason I brought this up is the potential for MORE glitched spider tracks. This piece was most likely reused on other straight, vertical spider tracks, and if we're lucky, they made very few desings and modified them accordingly. Hopefully... |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:18:17 PM |
| *feels proud that his discovery may of found another discovery :D* --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:21:38 PM |
| Dude, rage, you're the total epitome of ignorant. You've taken your discovery to a whole new level, as if it makes you some omnipotent being or something. It's been mentioned in pretty much every one of your posts since it was discovered, as if you haven't reminded everyone enough already. Look at banks, kip, amasawa, etc, they don't go around bragging and such, they just keep on crackin, because they're team players. You however, would like to find one thing, pretend you're the next incarnation of jesus, and sit around and wait for people to praise you. I know that you'll deny the credibility of everything I'm saying, but hopefully at least one person will see my point ;p --- ABICDEAFGHMIJKSLMNAOPQTRSTAUVWNXYZ http://www.dallasmac.com/acc/catalog.php?user=137 |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:23:19 PM |
| i see your point, but usualy i just end up being useless instead of finding this things out, but dont worry, ill shut up now --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Phediuk | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:39:14 PM |
| *praises I2ag3 just to annoy funkytoad* --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:40:08 PM |
| You did nothing more than waste your own time. --- ABICDEAFGHMIJKSLMNAOPQTRSTAUVWNXYZ http://www.dallasmac.com/acc/catalog.php?user=137 |
| From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:40:37 PM |
| Hey, finally got my contributor name changed (didn't know there were already like 10 variants of the name "Tim" ^_^ Banks, what is this Track Jump you're talking about? Maybe I missed something... Also, to the person who asked earlier - the Plasma Beam eats Thardus alive. I killed him in roughly 2 minutes with it. -Tim --- <<Prime Discoveries>> http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Psycho Falcon | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:45:55 PM |
| It's the left side of the Furnace spider track. The discoveries surrounding it have opened a theory of more spider tracks with walkable/standable/jump-offable borders. |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:49:53 PM |
| tlj: l2ag3 found an Incredibly easy way to get into the furnace without triple bomb jump. He faced the track, turned slight to the left so he could se some of the wall, then pushed forward and began to space jump. You should see the spider ball track shake in this view. What happens is, as you jump, you catch onto the siding of the spider ball track and get a foothold on something you shouldn't, and are able to jump to the very top. At that point, you morph into ball form, and boost yourself into the hole. try it! --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Mana Knight 24 | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:51:13 PM |
| A) I finally got my TBJ up the furnace down after getting ball and bombs...Then went on to discover I wasted thirty minutes of bomb-jumping to get to a wave beam door without the wave beam. B) I'm not sure if it would be neater if this was intentional so the designers could watch us like lab rodents and discover TBJ, or if this was all just some strange coincidences. The Spiderball tracks sounds like a glitch, but as some others pointed out, that ONE little rock right there for early space jump, those coincidental platforms for early plasma...It may be too big of a "Whaddaya know, X platform is right there so we can get Y item early!". I think maybe they didn't plan on early P-bombs, tho, because it doesn't open the Phazon Elite container. I think Amasawa or Tim said that...? --- "There's nothing to fear but fear itself and defective lawnmowers." - Me |
| From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:57:51 PM |
| Re: Power Bomb issue Amasawa brought it up first, and I merely confirmed it. But it seems to be the general consensus that much of the game was designed to be speed broken (like all the platforms you mentioned). Thanks a lot banks! I'm off to attempt that now. -Tim --- <<Prime Discoveries>> http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Psycho Falcon | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:58:41 PM |
| I think some people did it without asking and it was over-looked just like we did for so long. I think this would explain the "expansion before P-Bombs", because if everyone there knew all possibilties would be tested so nothing too strange could happen. --- Defying Metriod Prime's Linearity: http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/ |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:02:42 PM |
| Or perhaps play testing did catch some of the more odd things, but Retro decided to leave them in as Easter Eggs for obsessed players to find. Who knows? I would love to get 15 minutes talking to the designers though. Wouldn't that be cool, a trip to Texas to visit Retro studios? Nintendo needs to sponsor that kind of thing quickly! :-) --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:05:36 PM |
| why dont we just write them a letter? --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:06:25 PM |
| !? Where in Texas are they based? (I live in Texas, so...) -Tim --- <<Prime Discoveries>> http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Mana Knight 24 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:10:48 PM |
| I forgot to mention this in my post with A). After I checked the map and saw the wave beam door, I walked up to it and reflected a Power shot off it because I felt like it and I was kinda disappointed. I turned around, morphed into a ball to go back to the furnace...And it froze. It was the first time MP has EVER frozen on me. Even Chozo elevator never did anything. I'm wondering if this is due to where I was and when. BTW, when you go in the Hall of Elders, are there pirates there like the computers said in Phazon Mines? Or just ghosts? If there were pirate diggers there it would be a major step towards designer intention of it. Either that, or they programmed all these things like the heat in Magmoor Caverns getting worse without the intention of it really being used, just for the sake of realism. --- "There's nothing to fear but fear itself and defective lawnmowers." - Me |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:10:49 PM |
| can't remember offhand; some peeps were arguing about it here a while back. Houston was one of the two cities suggested, but I have this nagging feeling that it was the other one mentioned that was actually correct. can't remember for sure and am too lazy to find out right now. <:-) --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Mana Knight 24 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:12:47 PM |
| They were arguing Houston or Austin, they were arguing for a while until one realized they'd meant to be typing the other one the whole time. I think it was Austin... --- "There's nothing to fear but fear itself and defective lawnmowers." - Me |
| From: namek jin8 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:12:52 PM |
| IT WORKS!! That method of not using the TBJ to get into the furnace works, I just tried it. |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:14:46 PM |
| Austin! *snaps fingers yeah, I agree with you Mana Knight, I think that was the one they determined was correct. you live anywhere near there, tim? Can you get us any spy photos of the sequel-in-the-making? =) --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Psycho Falcon | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:17:21 PM |
| Umm... I don't mean to be obnoxious and draw attention to myself, but there is a third way up the furnace I posted around post 36. It makes me think that there could be other tracks that are glitched in htis manner due to recycling of parts. --- Defying Metriod Prime's Linearity: http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/ |
| From: Little Green Yoda | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:17:41 PM |
| Just went to retrostudios.com. It is in Austin, TX. --- "Death to the Hunter! Death to all those who oppose us!" -intergalactic Space Pirates in their pathetic attempt to take over the universe |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:19:54 PM |
| maybe we shouldnt alert them of these nifty little things we found. what if they dont know? if we told them they would try to avoid it in the sequel and that would suck. --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:20:30 PM |
| yeah Pyscho Falcon, I saw it and it made me wonder if Banks ever got to try out track jumping/climbing in ore processing. Banks, did you try it out? I saw your post about trying it to get up to the sunchamber but if you tried ore processing I must have missed it in the sea of posts. <=) --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:23:42 PM |
| nah l2ag3, Retro is teh cool developer that r0x0r5. They wouldn't do that... would they? ;^_^ (worries) --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:27:53 PM |
| Anyway, to make this sort of on-topic, I found the most useless workaround to climbing the platform without the spider ball before the phazon pit in Metroid Quarantine B today. There's a rock and a ledge above it right across from the door you come in through on the way toward omega pirate, and you can space jump from there to the spider ball track and over to the platform. Might be able to tbj up there; I don't know cuz I never tried it, but talk about doing things the hard way. :-) Did the same thing trying to go the back route to getting into the training chamber yesterday and forgot that the other end of the tunnel was blocked off. Probably need to cut down on Metroid... mmmm, nah. :-) --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Mana Knight 24 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:30:17 PM |
| In an attempt to move on-topic, I'm still wondering about my game freezing and the pirate diggers. --- "There's nothing to fear but fear itself and defective lawnmowers." - Me |
| From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:30:57 PM |
| I love that Track Jump. Is it just that track or does it work on other SB tracks (that would be fantastic if you could "walk" up the Sun Tower rails.)? -Tim --- <<Prime Discoveries>> http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:33:15 PM |
| so far i think thats the only track that does it. it will prolly only work with ones just like it, perfectly straight, but hey, i could be wrong --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:39:14 PM |
| well im out for the nite, cyah later --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:40:10 PM |
| As far as i've seen, only that track. I haven't gone to ore processing myself, but zell said he tried, and couldn't get anywhere with it. I've tried the suntower, and that didn't lead to anything. The only thing i'm really interested now is a way to get around metroid quarantine A, because then you could almost do everything before thardus (like fight OP) But since we've had 0 success with that, i'll work on my little *get as much stuff as possible* before thardus game. --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:53:16 PM |
| No go banks. Not unless we can Track Jump on vertical rails that switch to horizontal and wind around a pillar (like the Ore Processing one), though I wasn't ever able to get my way up half of the track :P We can keep trying though for Quarantine A, though... -Tim --- <<Prime Discoveries>> http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: chyse728 | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:59:13 PM |
| hey guys, just pokin my head in and sayin congrats to all, takin a slice of cake, etc., and sayin that (like Psycho Falcon), i too have been observin this since practically the beginning and i think this whole crusade (since it truly seems like one) is A W E S O M E. Also, as kind of a pun on the non-linearity of the game, a possible title for the (layman's opinion of 1337) website could be "Project: Parabola". sorry about the excessive use of ()'s, but i'm kinda a left-right/top-bottom thinker, and i don't like going back and adding whole new sentences. i know it's a stupid title and all, but >.< U --- "Next time you think nobody cares, try missing a couple payments..." |
| From: chyse728 | Posted: 2/1/2003 12:08:48 AM |
| and hey, if you guys need it, i'm right smack in the middle of the mines right now, so i'll just look ahead for any possible road blocks you might come across in the areas to come --- "Next time you think nobody cares, try missing a couple payments..." |
| From: sevensc | Posted: 2/1/2003 12:21:23 AM |
| probably noone cares but i can't stand the colour red so i strated to remake the prime discoveries site for my own use and all those other people who hate the over use of red or have a lower resolution monitor: metroid prime: the discoveries http://primediscoveries.tripod.com hope you don't hate it. i will be adding cradits so dont complain. |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 2/1/2003 1:22:57 AM |
| Amasawa: someone claimed to be able to get the lifegiver artifact without the gravity suit. Is there any other reason to use it? Or do you ahve to get the power bomb expansion to be able to not need it. Check it out --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: s742617000027s1 | Posted: 2/1/2003 1:27:50 AM |
| Just went to retrostudios.com. It is in Austin, TX. Retro Studios in Austin? Nice, that's where I live. Nice job on the site zell and everyone else who contributed to it in some way. I haven't done anything yet though... --- -SHEATH THY BLADE!!! Bands you must listen too: Kreator, Slipknot, Tool, Meshuggah, System of a Down, Exmortem, The Berzerker. |
| From: Qmark | Posted: 2/1/2003 2:46:49 AM |
| what codec am I going to need for the TBJ avi? I seem to get a 'nonspecific decompresor error'... Grrr... I have the hardware set up to do a direct video capture from the GC, but I can't seem to nail that TBJ timing. |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/1/2003 6:25:16 AM |
| banks, unfortunately you do have to get the pbomb exp if you're skipping grav afaik, but I'll try messing around in the frigate w no/grav as soon as I get some time/a game at that point. That's still a great find -- looking forward to hearing about it! --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Querjek | Posted: 2/1/2003 7:26:30 AM |
| Ooh! --- Avez-vous des jeux-videos? "I killed the N64, DC, GBC, and soon... the PSX!"- me |
| From: chyse728 | Posted: 2/1/2003 8:11:24 AM |
| Qmark, download the latest version of DivX that you can from download.com like the site says --- "Next time you think nobody cares, try missing a couple payments..." |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/1/2003 11:04:00 AM |
| sevensc- if you use 800x600 or if you do a website for 800x600 viewers... it will be HoT for people (most of them) with higher resolution. I use 1280x1024 resolution, that why I built the site 950 pixels large. That way, anyone with 1024 or higher can see it nicely. And if you rip-off the site, you will clearly say it's a RIP-OFF huh!? --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: sevensc | Posted: 2/1/2003 12:44:37 PM |
| don't worry zell99. ill make sure everyone knows that most of my info is a rip from your site, and i will add a link to it and i will try to give everyone credit for what they have done. i stiff need to add the credits but the rest is pretty much ready other then the home page. check it out. i mean, you have read it all before, but see if its any good. its designed for a wider range of resolutions, but may be hard to read on really high resolutions. also, if anyone has a faq or other info and metroid material, i would be happy to add it if it is top-notch stuff and you will get full credit for everything you submit. --- http://primediscoveries.tripod.com |
| From: Malos | Posted: 2/1/2003 3:19:10 PM |
| i just got grav suit... i don't have the spider thingy. is that good? |
| From: BrownyMaster | Posted: 2/1/2003 4:10:55 PM |
| heh, i neva tried 2. I don't get Gamespot and otha Screen shots like image.com.com/gamespot/images/2002/vgnews/082202/metroidprime_screen002.jpg where u have all Energy tanks and stuff... --- AIM: Brownyx007 | MSM IM: BrownyMaster@hotmail.com IM me! Member Of Advance Wars S.W.A.T. - Advisor Code Blue |
| From: bluberry | Posted: 2/1/2003 5:03:55 PM |
| Right now some of the text in the rip off site is black on black, with little bits showing up to the right where it turns white. And the real site runs fine on a 1024x768 on Phoenix, I'll verify that. Except the blue ad at the top, that makes it about 1050 pixels wide... for ad free hosting and FTP access you could try an ikaribox account at http://ikaribox.dyndns.org/ , I've had 100% uptime and no problems since I've had mine, and it has FTP access. --- My Site: http://ikaribox.dyndns.org/~bluberry/ "I guess you're not home." -Marie, as Jason tries ringing his doorbell in The Bourne Identity |
| From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 2/1/2003 6:01:48 PM |
| Another addition to the "Retro planned this" theory: It seems to me that its a pretty big coincidence that the bomb counter is JUST LONG ENOUGH so that you can get 6 bombs in a row... they could have easily made the counter only trigger when you have 0 bombs left, or make the timer longer. Also surprising is the fact that the plasma beam damages Thardus. Just my thoughts on the subject. PS: Still trying to successfully tbj. --- Congratulations! You have won $1,000,000 from a lottery you didn't enter!! Send me $240,000 to pay the taxes and claim the prize!! |
| From: The Leech | Posted: 2/1/2003 6:40:52 PM |
| Yay. I got the plasma beam early. :D --- *Total Darkness* Ya know, when one sense can't function, the others enhance. p00p iz teh f00ney wurd! Â_Â I stand corrected. |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 2/1/2003 8:23:03 PM |
| hey im back from work. i played some more last nite and found 2 new places to do the track jump, however, neither place is very usefull. one is in ice ruins east, you can track jump up the SB track, but you cant get high enough to be able to roll into a ball and roll in. another is in the phazon mines, main quarry. the spiderball track leading up the save point is the one here. although its very hard to get it to work, i have done it. amasawa, this might be helpfull on your "get as much as you can before thardus game" :) --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/1/2003 8:24:57 PM |
| Banks is trying out that get-as-much-as-you-can-before-Thardus run, actually. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 2/1/2003 8:26:02 PM |
| ... shadap... banks then (uhg, its been a long day -_-) --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/1/2003 8:34:20 PM |
| hey, ain't no thang. I'm just messing around, trying out paratroopa's trick to get lifegiver w/o the gravity suit, and it worked like a charm. Now if there were just some way to get this stasis tank open w/o getting the main power bomb pickup.. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 2/1/2003 8:41:18 PM |
| whats paratroopa's trick? --- Congratulations! You have won $1,000,000 from a lottery you didn't enter!! Send me $240,000 to pay the taxes and claim the prize!! |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 2/1/2003 8:49:44 PM |
| amasawa, you and banks should try out those 2 places i mentioned, maybe you two will have better luck at them then i did. --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/1/2003 8:59:59 PM |
| paratroopa got the artifact just by space jumping to get up out of the water. I think someone else might have mentioned jumping around like crazy too; sorry if i'm overlooking anybody's comments. I tried it out and what I wound up doing was kind of like getting the plasma beam early when you jump up onto the first spider block from that rim that goes around the room. That is, I jump while pressing forward against the wall, start to pull away a little just before space jumping, and then push forward again about halfway through the jump. I'm not sure exactly why that works/precisely how you should move to get that increased height, but it definitely works. There's one other thing going on with this one though, I think, and I wanna stress that this is just an idea; I don't really know how to prove it per se. It seems as if, when you space jump high enough to come a certain distance out of the water, then fall back in, the game is fooled into thinking that the gravity rules for being on land should apply for a second, because on a successful jump out of the water, it looks just like making a space jump over land. That's the impression I get, anyway. thanks for the suggestion l2ag3; I'll give them a try sometime when I'm in those areas, especially the ice ruins one since there's no other way up there w/o the spider ball afaik (the mines one you can triple bomb jump up and it can be a pretty weak one to make it) --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/1/2003 9:51:35 PM |
| Amasawa- Would that mean we don't need the Gravity Suit anymore? The only problem would be that if you skip the Gravity it means you skip the Frigate, then it means you need to get a PB expansion and the main PB in Dynamo Central... which means you could skip Gravity Suit and skip Frigate and still end up with 27%...? --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/1/2003 9:53:01 PM |
| zell99: correct, and correct --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: DARK SIDE | Posted: 2/1/2003 10:08:31 PM |
| For that whole Retro planned this I would really disagree. If you look when you have the gravity suit and you morph it uses the model for the Varia suit. I applaud them as in most games this would cause a crash since there is no model for a spider-less gravity ball. You would think that a model would be put in if this really was intended even if for nothing more than an easter egg. Also, guns aren't redone for every enemy, that would take forever to finish and be a complete waste of time so the plasma beam does damage Thardius because he follows the rules like every other creature. --- "Do not remove plastic disc from top of Gamecube or poisonous gas will be released." |
| From: Mana Knight 24 | Posted: 2/1/2003 10:24:31 PM |
| I just got Ice beam early...And I think that ONE solar panel with that one TINY bump is too coincidental. None of the others have it. I thought I was stuck without spiderball, but then I remembered that someone said something about jumping off a couple corners. Then I saw that bump, and I was like "Can I even slide off of that?", and then I realized I would have to stand on it. Too big a coincidence, with the early space jump rock and early plasma. --- "There's nothing to fear but fear itself and defective lawnmowers." - Me |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/1/2003 10:35:50 PM |
| actually elyas over at the IGN metroid forum claimed the model used there is the power suit morph ball, not varia, mostly because of the color trail it leaves, but you do have a point though DARK SIDE. I'm not completely convinced any of these tricks were left in/designed in intentionally either. I see reasonable arguments for both sides. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/1/2003 11:22:46 PM |
| question for Awasama or DEVILBIT, or anyone who has done wave beam without space jump... once in the ice temple, i can get on the first block on the right side either by dbj or jumping beside the pillar and jump from there... but once on the block, i cant seem to be able to get to the next higher block because there is a big gap between them... and you said dbjm on it.. is there a special trick of something? O_o --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/1/2003 11:52:36 PM |
| Hmmm... That jump does give me problems occasionally. The goal is to make Samus morph and run forward onto the block in midair, and you'll have to do another one from the dish, which is the trickiest jump to make consistently imo. I suggest placing your second bomb very close to the explosion of the first, since that will give Samus maximum height when the second bomb explodes and make your jumps much easier. Also, just before I morph out I hold the L trigger, as it seems to help me get that running animation that really propels Samus forward in midair. Hope that helps... if you're still having trouble I can try to offer some other pointers, or maybe DEVILBIT can help you better. I highly recommend practicing this though; it seemed fairly difficult to me at first but now I'm learning to use the dbjm more effectively, and it seems to be a big time-saver once you get comfortable with it. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 2/1/2003 11:55:35 PM |
| I've never attempted that jump before =p I haven't made much progress on that game, been busy playing war3 / going out. But i saved last night after getting wavebuster / icebeam. I'll prolly get plasma beam tonight, and go on from there. --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: sevensc | Posted: 2/1/2003 11:58:51 PM |
| the so-called rip site has been slightly updated but there are still no credits or anything saying that it is a rip, and yes, i will add it, so don't yell just yet. but at the same time, once i get some higher quality video captures and screens using my frinds new pc, and after posting a little pre-flaahgra craziness of my own, it won't really be all that much of a rip, but feel free to rip any original stuff i post, just give me credit, just as i will do for you. untill we meet again.... oh, and a little html glory for you zell99: putting these three lines of code right before the actual <body> in your html should stop all the adds on you site. <noembed><xmp> <BODY> </xmp></noembed> (the real <body> would start here) just cuz we have similar sites dosn't mean we can't share. have fun with that. --- metroid prime: the discoveries http://primediscoveries.tripod.com |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 12:11:13 AM |
| Looks very sharp, sevensc. I'm using 8x6 res most of the time also, incidentally. btw zell, I like the new title graphic; I just checked it out. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 12:36:20 AM |
| Amasawa- thanks. i was able to do that first dbjm but not the 2nd one from the dish... as you said, it's like if you tap L before morphing out, you'll get the running animation... its weird how it works though =/ on your speed run you were able to get it without loosing much time? because getting it right after boost ball means you dont have to backtrack there after you get space jump.. you save around 10 minutes.. so even if you lose a little bit of time to get up there it still saves some... meh.. --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 12:47:44 AM |
| yeah, it seems really tough at first but it gets easier after you've climbed the temple a few times. On this last run it took me three tries to make the tbjm to the cliff, then fell once on the jump you were asking about, and once from the dish. All in all it's helped. I'm saved at the ship now at 2:14 and heading to fight ridley. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 12:51:41 AM |
| on your other run (2:33) you were in the Impact Crater at 2:22? can you fight Ridley in 5 minutes? --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 1:15:25 AM |
| wow that was weak; I beat my previous time by a minute. =) final boss did take a long time; I may try that last sequence again sometime. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: SodoHobo | Posted: 2/2/2003 1:55:41 AM |
| its now officially called a 2XBJ not a TBJ --- Nuke em' till they glow so you can shoot em' in the dark! |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 1:57:00 AM |
| Keep talkin', chuckles. It'll be fun to see you eat your words. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 2/2/2003 1:59:22 AM |
| What is 2XBJ even supposed to mean? 2 XtReMe Bomb Jump? Please, stay out of every thread that has anything to do with anything that even remotely relates to a TBJ. |
| From: SodoHobo | Posted: 2/2/2003 2:02:33 AM |
| read my 2XBJ topic it blows the lid off this entire scandall --- Nuke em' till they glow so you can shoot em' in the dark! |
| From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 2/2/2003 2:03:18 AM |
| Excuse me while I go drink paint thinner. |
| From: tlj9204 | Posted: 2/2/2003 2:38:39 AM |
| Well, at least we got a couple of good laughs... So. Cutting out the Gravity Suit, eh? Only 15 more items to go and we can make this a 12% game (j/k of course). -Tim --- <<Prime Discoveries>> http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 2/2/2003 2:46:14 AM |
| its now officially called a 2XBJ not a TBJ Oooooh, it's "OFFICIALLY" called a 2XBJ instead of a TBJ now, and that means that this whole thing is a scam! Oh, I get it! It all makes sense now! Okay, look. YOU didn't discover the TBJ, did you? I don't believe so. So what right do you have to be declaring that it is "officially" called a 2XBJ instead of a TBJ? I could say that I am "officially" called God now. Does that make me (a) God? No. It does not. I wish it did, but it does not. And how does calling it a 2XBJ instead of a TBJ make the entire thing different? No matter what you call it, the procedure is still exactly the same, and the effect is still exactly the same. A name is only a thing of identification. It would be like calling a car "banana". Does that make cars bananas? No, it does not. They're still cars. You could call it a 2XBJ, but it's still the same thing. All it is is a more literal term for it. But then would we go calling those things on the road "big metal frames with rubber wheels attached that turn fuel into energy to move forward"? Besides, TBJ is more catchy, and you're jumping three times, so nyah. If we really wanted to make it a literal term, it would be a SBJ (sextuple bomb jump), because six bombs are used in doing the TBJ (although one of them isn't actually used for the jump itself). </pwnage> --- "I gets soooooooooooooo annoying!" ~ BlueWizard13 "I love to hear people praise me so please feel free to tell me how good I am." ~ jibtothemax |
| From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 2/2/2003 2:50:39 AM |
| So. Cutting out the Gravity Suit, eh? Only 15 more items to go and we can make this a 12% game (j/k of course). Actually, this isn't really going to help any. If you don't get the Gravity Suit, then you must skip the Crashed Frigate. This would mean getting a PB expansion early. HOWEVER, you must get the Power Bombs the way they're supposed to be gotten so you can break the Phazon Elite's tank. (WHY, Retro? Why did you program it that way?!) I actually haven't looked at this myself, nor have I done any TBJs (although I was proud of myself when I figured out how to do the DBJ to get into the Vault all by myself :D), nor have I gotten anything early. But I do my research to find out all this stuff. --- "I gets soooooooooooooo annoying!" ~ BlueWizard13 "I love to hear people praise me so please feel free to tell me how good I am." ~ jibtothemax |
| From: vivagorditas007 | Posted: 2/2/2003 3:26:54 AM |
| Hey guys. I have gotten wave beam and ice beam before thatdus, and now I am going onto the plasma beam. Thanks for coming up with this topic!!! --- ::ELITE ROGUE::{//=|ROYAL DEFENDER OF NABOO|=\\}::Ex-President of the Vet's Board |
| From: RockMFR 5 | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:07:27 AM |
| Where exactly is the boost ball needed in the game? There must be some way to skip it. --- <SMS-120><SSBM-290><P9-DC><SMB-MASTER><SMB2-MASTER EXTRA><MKSC-WRx3> o_0 OHIO STATE-31 miami-24 |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:09:30 AM |
| you need the boost ball to activate spinners. --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: obzinator | Posted: 2/2/2003 1:53:53 PM |
| I was wondering if someone could offer me a few pointers for getting to the Magmoor Eleveator from Phazon Proccessing without the spider-ball. I can get on to that one ledge by the window, but I'm not sure quite what to do after that. I checked zell's site to get as far as I am, but I can't picture how the rest of the jumps are supossed to go. Good job on all the cool dicoveries so far. Very nice. |
| From: sevensc | Posted: 2/2/2003 2:05:47 PM |
| hey obzinitor, zells explaniation is pretty straight forward, but if you want to look at my site (which is just a rip at this point) go right ahead and do so. i worded some of the stuff diffenently so that may help. --- metroid prime: the discoveries http://primediscoveries.tripod.com |
| From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 2/2/2003 2:44:51 PM |
| Wow. This topic isn't on the 1st page! This means bump! --- "I tend to procrastinate, and sometimes I even put that off." -Me Whoosh. 'Splode. Sploosh. Squat. CALL ME STUPID!!! |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 2/2/2003 3:09:10 PM |
| dont you also need boost ball to get ice beam? --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: crate3333 | Posted: 2/2/2003 3:13:50 PM |
| Great finds, Banks, kip, Amasawa, Tim, DEVILBIT, anyone I may have missed. Getting back to the spider ball tracks you can walk on: I was going for Plasma Beam before Thardus, and, being completely clueless in where to jump to, I space jumped onto a horizontal spider ball track. Several times. The track is located around the bend from where you get on the metal rail. It took a few tries, but I usually got up fairly quickly. As long as I held toward the wall (maybe if I didn't, I don't remember) I stayed on the track. I could jump, and maybe even walk on the track. Just to the right of the track I jumped up on is a section where you can roll in any direction (that normally would have the enemies whatever they're called). I jumped onto that, and I stayed, and could jump up for a short time before falling. I don't think you can get to the Plasma Beam from there, though. (Referring to Geothermal Core, for anyone not noticing). --- Implication is a strong weapon Book List: Crossroads of Twilight (Jan. '03), A Storm of Swords, Abhorsen (Feb. '03) |
| From: funkytoad | Posted: 2/2/2003 5:44:33 PM |
| Meh, I'm still at 1:24 before frigate in my speed run...I just haven't gotten around to it, with driver's ed, and going places and such. Either tonight, after homework and simpsons, etc, or tomorrow after school I'll continue. I somehow HIGHLY doubt I'll even be coming closing to 2:30 ;p --- ABICDEAFGHMIJKSLMNAOPQTRSTAUVWNXYZ http://www.dallasmac.com/acc/catalog.php?user=137 |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 5:51:52 PM |
| good luck with the run whenever you get around to it. hopefully you can break the record, but either way it's helpful for determing a fast order. Still looking for other ways to change the order a little bit, but haven't found anything new yet... --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 2/2/2003 5:56:10 PM |
| it might be interesting to skip the gravity suit and get a 27% game wit power bombs... just for the heck of it. Imagine the ending movie, it would be cool... --- Congratulations! You have won $1,000,000 from a lottery you didn't enter!! Send me $240,000 to pay the taxes and claim the prize!! |
| From: SolrFlare | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:03:28 PM |
| Yeah a 27% without the Gravity suit would be interesting to do once and take some screenies for the rest of us just to see if the ending sequence does show Samus in Varia instead of Gravity...which it most likely would. If only some way could be found to trigger that phazon elite without the main PB pickup...perhaps the right sequence of doing things might do it but it seems fairly unlikely. Its looking more and more like item orders may continue to be broken and maybe a substitute here or there..but unless we got anothe rhuge revelation somewhere, percentage wise we seem to be locked down now. |
| From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:10:10 PM |
| Wait a minute. Are we 100% positive that the Crashed Frigate requires the Gravity Suit? Obviously the Gravity Suit was intended, but boy, some pretty amazing stuff has been done, I'd be surprised if the Gravity Suit is ABSOLUTELY necessary for the Crashed Frigate... if the Crashed Frigate can be cleared without the Gravity Suit, then a 26% game is possible. Bah, I'm just randomly thinking about things... I doubt it's possible... but perhaps. --- "I gets soooooooooooooo annoying!" ~ BlueWizard13 "I love to hear people praise me so please feel free to tell me how good I am." ~ jibtothemax |
| From: SolrFlare | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:15:19 PM |
| Its not possible to get through the Frigate without the Gravity suit...you are blocked by the game from going past a certain point unless you have the suit equiped. So unless someone figures out how to glitch the game and slip through, its not going ot happen. Although I wonder if anyone has tried it recently now that we've scrambled the item colletion order. |
| From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:16:27 PM |
| That so? Hmmm... weird. So you mean there's something besides the water that stops you from proceeding without the Gravity Suit? That sucks. :\ --- "I gets soooooooooooooo annoying!" ~ BlueWizard13 "I love to hear people praise me so please feel free to tell me how good I am." ~ jibtothemax |
| From: chyse728 | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:21:31 PM |
| and anyway, there are several places where the jump is too far for a non-grav suit jump and barely within grav range --- "Next time you think nobody cares, try missing a couple payments..." |
| From: SolrFlare | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:21:52 PM |
| Yeah I forget the exact point but I believe its the elevator shaft...once you reach it you get a message saying you can't proceed and the door won't open. |
| From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:41:35 PM |
| Does anyone know what the rooms are that (seemingly) make the Spider Ball required? Besides Ore Processing, I know that. I'm just curious, because I think there may be a way around Ore Processing, although I figure people have probably thought of it and tried it to no avail... --- "I gets soooooooooooooo annoying!" ~ BlueWizard13 "I love to hear people praise me so please feel free to tell me how good I am." ~ jibtothemax |
| From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:41:51 PM |
| I remember hearing that maybe fighting a normal Elite Pirate could trigger the Phazon Elite's chamber to be breakable. Is this tested? --- "I tend to procrastinate, and sometimes I even put that off." -Me Whoosh. 'Splode. Sploosh. Squat. CALL ME STUPID!!! |
| From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:43:52 PM |
| Don't you eventually have to fight at least one Elite Pirate (if not more, I know I fought at least three in a regular game) just to get around Phazon Mines? I think it's been tested. --- "I gets soooooooooooooo annoying!" ~ BlueWizard13 "I love to hear people praise me so please feel free to tell me how good I am." ~ jibtothemax |
| From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:45:02 PM |
| good point... --- "I tend to procrastinate, and sometimes I even put that off." -Me Whoosh. 'Splode. Sploosh. Squat. CALL ME STUPID!!! |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:46:41 PM |
| 27% without the Gravity suit would be interesting to do once and take some screenies for the rest of us just to see if the ending sequence does show Samus in Varia instead of Gravity...which it most likely would. Sort of. The sequence where Samus loses her phazon enhancements shows her return to a gravity suit, but when outside the crater, she's shown with the Varia suit. Makes it seem like the sequence just after the final boss is prerendered, but NOT a guarantee, 'cause get this: if you beat Omega with only the varia suit, after he falls on Samus and she busts out of the Phazon striking a pose, she is wearing the GRAVITY suit in the cutscene. After the cutscene ends, she's wearing Phazon colors as usual. Strange eh? If only some way could be found to trigger that phazon elite without the main PB pickup...perhaps the right sequence of doing things might do it but it seems fairly unlikely. I wish there were a way too... I'm hoping someone will find a way to prove me wrong, because it would be so cool to not have to grab the main power bomb pickup. As for going through the frigate w/o grav, it's funny that you mention that because I was just down there trying it since I hadn't in a long time. I can get to the wrecked elevator that has the energy tank inside, but I tried every sneaky jumping technique known about now to try to get on top of it with no success. Doubtful, but who knows? Like paratoopa pointed out, lots of strange stuff has been accomplished. What I want now is for someone to find a way through twin fires tunnel heading toward geothermal core w/o the spider ball. I've found some ledges there that look promising, but nothing's panned out yet. It wouldn't be a super huge exciting discovery or anything; just a way to save some time. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:53:19 PM |
| I've done that. Just have SJ, or come from the other side... BUT YOU NEED HEALTH! --- "I tend to procrastinate, and sometimes I even put that off." -Me Whoosh. 'Splode. Sploosh. Squat. CALL ME STUPID!!! |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 6:55:48 PM |
| *snaps fingers forgot to mention I want to get through twin fires in that direction w/o the grav suit as well. sorry I forgot to mention that originally. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 2/2/2003 7:24:31 PM |
| Ice Beam + Gravity Suit before Thardus using Triple Bump (v. 3.0) --- "I tend to procrastinate, and sometimes I even put that off." -Me Whoosh. 'Splode. Sploosh. Squat. CALL ME STUPID!!! |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 2/2/2003 7:26:13 PM |
| you fiend :o --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 2/2/2003 7:31:45 PM |
| My earlier question still stands... Does anyone know what the rooms are that (seemingly) make the Spider Ball required? Besides Ore Processing, I know that. I'm just curious, because I think there may be a way around Ore Processing, although I figure people have probably thought of it and tried it to no avail... --- "I gets soooooooooooooo annoying!" ~ BlueWizard13 "I love to hear people praise me so please feel free to tell me how good I am." ~ jibtothemax |
| From: kip | Posted: 2/2/2003 7:40:33 PM |
| currently the only problematic rooms are: ore processing metroid quarantine A great tree hall (to get to x-ray visor/chozo artifact) sun tower (to go back to sunchamber for wild artifact) everywhere else, there is a way around unless there's a room i forgot to mention (no, it's not needed for phazon processing center). AFAIK i haven't heard of many people messing around in ore processing, although i have been. i can space jump directly from the second to third floor, but i just need a little more height to get from third to top, i can't seem to do it though. and i have no idea how to get from first to second floor... although with devilbit's space jump technique it might be possible. but even if it was, you'd also have to know a way around the other rooms i mentioned. |
| From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:00:08 PM |
| Why is this topic so lonely right now? --- "I tend to procrastinate, and sometimes I even put that off." -Me Whoosh. 'Splode. Sploosh. Squat. CALL ME STUPID!!! |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:04:04 PM |
| hey kip, didn't you say you were able to bypass the spider ball track at the elevator that's behind Thardus? How did you manage that one? --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Zero IX | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:04:17 PM |
| Cuz no one's bumped it yet . . . Oh wait, I just did. *smacks forehead* --- vincit omnia veritas |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:04:49 PM |
| *makes topic less lonely and hands out cookies!* --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:07:53 PM |
| Hi cookie! My name's Mario Cleanstuff! Wanna be friends? . . . . . . . . . . ANSWER ME! Cookies do not make the lonely go away... Maybe the hungry, but not the lonely... (And I mean the feelings of hunger or loneliness, not people who have those feelings.) --- "I tend to procrastinate, and sometimes I even put that off." -Me Whoosh. 'Splode. Sploosh. Squat. CALL ME STUPID!!! |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:09:56 PM |
| *hands mario cleanstuff a kitty* here, the magic lonely-away animal --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:12:05 PM |
| I already have a magic lonely-away animal. My kitty (Stripes) is on my bed being all cute and such. But the topic is lonely... not me. --- "I tend to procrastinate, and sometimes I even put that off." -Me Whoosh. 'Splode. Sploosh. Squat. CALL ME STUPID!!! |
| From: kip | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:14:00 PM |
| "hey kip, didn't you say you were able to bypass the spider ball track at the elevator that's behind Thardus?" that's true i did, i guess it's useless though, but i was already in that room and i figured why not. i get like that sometimes. to do it, jump on one of the rocks, then one of the poles by the elevator that is close to the track. then space jump to the ice door, you should make it easily. this ain't no space jump before flaahgra. =] |
| From: Psycho Falcon | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:15:29 PM |
| Hmm... Ok, these are just random thoughts but... The door brhind the Bendezium is never locked right? Well, theoretically, you could kill the Shadow drone and then leave through that way and then go back around and see what happens then... Or has that already been done? Another thing. The cutscene shows the generator being destroyed by Power Bomb... Is it possible to destrot it that way? Oh well, I don't it will activate the Pirate even if it can be done. Still... Gotta try. --- Defying Metriod Prime's Linearity: http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/ |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:19:06 PM |
| kip, that's perfect, thanks. =) I'm gonna try to get the super missile by going the back way through the research labs the first time. I found out you can get through twin fires heading for geothermal with a dbjm out of the lava on the other end. you have to adjust the height of the top bomb down a little bit to account for the drag of the lava, but it works and I was able to do it losing less than 50 energy on one attempt, so it's at least technically possible for a speed run. not sure if this is useful or not yet, but if you can get the super missile that way there's a couple things this might help a little. Psycho Falcon, yeah, I've tried both of those ideas with no success, but I still encourage anyone else to try stuff anyway to make sure there isn't something I've missed that would allow you to open that statis tank without getting the main pbomb pickup. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: sevensc | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:20:29 PM |
| i am about to do another update on my so-called rip site. i will be adding in all sorts of credits and i just need to know one thing: what is the easiest/best method for getting space jump before flaahgra (i will post whatever people agree on) and who gets the credit. thanks for your help. --- metroid prime: the discoveries http://primediscoveries.tripod.com |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:21:08 PM |
| (btw my brain makes it impossible for me to type the word STASIS most of the time, it seems <:-)) --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:22:47 PM |
| DEVILBIT came up with the idea and said he did it with a dbjm morph off the rock, so I believe credit goes to him. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Malos | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:23:07 PM |
| yay i have plasma beam and ice beam early, getting higher percent (good or bad) just got wavebuster. i LUV using super missile on the ghosts. i've figured this game out. took me 3 hours to get early plasma beam. |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:35:32 PM |
| Amasawa- If you can get through Twin Fire Tunnel without Spiderball.. it means you can get Plasma before Super Missiles? So... after you get the Ice Beam, you go back to Magmoor, get Plasma, then the back way in the Research Lab, get Super Missiles/Thermal if you want.. it might save some time (instead of going all the way through Phendrana to get back in Magmoor and get Plasma) Also... the first time in Phendrana, instead of going to get the Boost Ball, you could just get the Wave Beam with bomb jumps.. then go back to get Space Jumps (yeah with the crazy dbjm on the rock), Ice Beam, continue on... then you could get the Boost Ball after Thardus, on your way back towards Magmoor... do you think all this could help? --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:38:16 PM |
| zell, I think everything you're suggesting is correct except that you need the boost ball to get the ice beam afaik. I can find a way around every other room w/o boost ball except the room with the water-filled half pipe. If someone could find a way up there w/o the boost ball, you could get it later. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:42:08 PM |
| amasawa- oh did not think of that room... but getting plasma before super missiles would certainly be faster, at least... and would skipping the grapple beam save some time? i really dont know.. just a thought.. the map of phazon mines is so vague in my head, it's been years since i went there... all i know is that doing the jumps where you're "supposed" to use the grapple beam are not THAT hard to do when you know how to use the l-lock spring jump... --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:43:06 PM |
| something tells me theres a way to do that. maybe you can do a bdj or a tbj while rolling back and fourth on the half pipe to get just the little amount on extra hight you need? --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: kip | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:43:26 PM |
| perhaps i should go to reflecting pool and try it even though i don't think i'll find anything. i was thinking about going to the life grove without using spider ball too. |
| From: l2ag3 | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:46:27 PM |
| could you do a TBJ off one of the stone toads in the reflecting pool? --- "He stole our backup plan for just incase!" - Ben from Brave fencer musashi |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:49:39 PM |
| it would certainly help if you could get up the Reflecting Pool without boost ball... but doing all the run fast would be hell.. getting Wave Beam without Space Jump, getting Space Jump without Boost Ball... Ice Beam without Spider... Plasma without Grapple/SpiderBall... it would be a melting pot of all the tricks we've found so far ;)) --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:51:19 PM |
| yeah zell, I totally agree about plasma b4 super missile; that would definitely save time. the grapple beam is at the top of the ore processing room and hasn't been more than 30 seconds out of the way on any of the runs I've done, but it might depend on the direction you're coming from. I'd say it's better to get it off the top of my head, but perhaps that warrants some further investigation. kip, if you took time to look at the reflecting pool problem that would be great. =) There are a couple ledges there and you can stand on top of the toads, but I couldn't find anything I could use. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:53:08 PM |
| amasawa- my game is saved in phendrana shorelines, right after getting ice beam... i think i'll get plasma before super missiles (even though it's not a speed run) and i'll see how it goes --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: funkytoad | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:53:37 PM |
| You can -stand- on top of the toads, but if you're even CLOSE to one with the morph ball, it will suck you in, almost in a tractor beam like fashion. --- ABICDEAFGHMIJKSLMNAOPQTRSTAUVWNXYZ http://www.dallasmac.com/acc/catalog.php?user=137 |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 8:57:16 PM |
| cool zell. =) let us know how it goes. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:02:37 PM |
| O_o tell me if this is possible Plasma Beam Super Missiles Artifact of Elder (Control Tower) Thermal Visor Artifact of Spirit (Phendrana's Edge) Spider Ball / kill Thardus Artifact of Sun (Chozo Ice Temple) Power Bomb expansion (Ice Ruins West) to Magmoor, continue on with Strenght, PB expansion,... getting all the artifacts in Phendrana right there would save a trip to Phendrana.. it would save a whole lot of time! --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:03:41 PM |
| arg you need the PB for the edge's artifact... --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: Amasawa | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:04:44 PM |
| well, I think you still have to get that power bomb exp in phendrana before getting Spirit, but yeah, otherwise that order's exactly what I had in mind. =) On the speed runs any % I did lately, I also threw the Strength artifact and ice spreader in there, on the trip back to the temple. --- Metroid Prime Discoveries http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:07:25 PM |
| thats what i'll do. it's not a speed run so I wont be able to tell if it saves time, but it's sure it will... you do it fast to see how much time it will save ;) at least, the last trip to phendrana will be only to pick up Spirit at the Edge... then hop to Phazon Mines.. ;) --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:08:07 PM |
| I have an idea about bypassing Ore Processing without Spider Ball. Has anyone tried going in via the Waste Disposal via the Main Quarry? I think with some clever tbj'ing, it -might- be possible. Like for instance, there's one ledge up near the crane controls that's next to two boxes. You might be able to tbj up there. I'm trying stuff out in the Main Quarry right now, but I can't do tbjs very well. I've only done one and it wasn't very high. I can dbj very well though. Hell, I'm not good at any techniques. But I think it might be possible to get over to the Waste Disposal from the Main Quarry w/o the Grapple Beam and thus bypass the Ore Processing, which would mean one less room that you need the Spider Ball for. People may have tried this before, but I figure any idea is an idea worth mentioning. --- "I gets soooooooooooooo annoying!" ~ BlueWizard13 "I love to hear people praise me so please feel free to tell me how good I am." ~ jibtothemax |
| From: kip | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:13:55 PM |
| sounds good, i think i'll go try to get to waste disposal. |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:16:23 PM |
| kip is trying to go to 3 places at the same time O_o -Waste Disposal -Great Tree Hall -Reflecting Pool --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/ssbm/ |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:18:34 PM |
| To get to waste disposal, you have to have the grapple beam. I've tried numerous times to make it to that ledge, and all have failed miserably. L-lock jump might make it closer but the distance seems just too far. --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:22:12 PM |
| Oh, and as for that guy that was trying to change the name of the tbj to the 2xdj or whatever, you're wrong. A double bomb jump involves 3 bombs. You only have 5 to work with after you lay the first one to start the bomb refill counter. So it's really just a double bomb jump followed with another bomb jump. Hence, the triple bomb jump. --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:23:25 PM |
| And what are you guys trying to establish now? --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: funkytoad | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:23:28 PM |
| Damn, I -really- wish I had a save point near the main quarry right now, because I'm sure you could bridge that gap...is there not a spider ball track there? a completely vertical one? I'm sure someone is getting my message right now...I can't really get a good mental image right now, but I'm sure that the spider ball track could be a large asset somehow...anyhow, back to homework :( --- ABICDEAFGHMIJKSLMNAOPQTRSTAUVWNXYZ http://www.dallasmac.com/acc/catalog.php?user=137 |
| From: chyse728 | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:42:39 PM |
| in the main quarry (if i am thinking of the same area you are), the purple wave door on the left as you enter leads directly to a save point. I'm thinking of the first room you enter after taking the elevator to the Phazon mines from the frigate. if you can tbj up there (unless you have the spider ball) you can get to the save point. --- "Next time you think nobody cares, try missing a couple payments..." |
| From: tlj9204 | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:52:36 PM |
| Question, since I actually haven't tried it yet. It is theoretically possible to get the Spider Ball, head back down, and just DBJ to it, right? Then hold R to navigate the last few pieces of track? I'm asking this for the people who might just use the original method of grabbing Plasma right after Thardus. Oh, for someone who asked earlier, you cannot get past the Reactor Core without the Gravity Suit equipped. The order of the rooms follows the Subventilation Tunnels into Deck Gamma. Once you reach the door leading to the Reactor Core, you get the following message (or something like it): "Unable to access door mechanism. Gravity Suit upgrade required to proceed in liquid environment." Therefore, you sacrifice the Grav. Suit in exchange for the early Power Bomb upgrade, and still keep it at 27%. Still, how exactly do you skip the Frigate? My friend reported trying to go in the back way through Magmoor (into the Processing Center) and said he got stopped by a metal gate shortly before the Energy Tank (that leads to OP). P.S. Sweet new layout, zell! -Tim --- <<Prime Discoveries>> http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: funkytoad | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:54:40 PM |
| Your friend must be a n00b =D When you go to processing center, you don't head through to the OP room, you go through the ice beam door, to the middle of the phazon mines (a room with shadow pirates). --- ABICDEAFGHMIJKSLMNAOPQTRSTAUVWNXYZ http://www.dallasmac.com/acc/catalog.php?user=137 |
| From: Psycho Falcon | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:57:46 PM |
| No Boost Ball Reflecting Pool! First you must jump on the ledge on the back side of the back right pillar (when facing the Chozo Head) and lock the camera when facing the ledge where the door leading to the Great tree Hall is. Space jump towards the ledge's edge and maneuver yourself so that you are in between two small pieces of it that are sticking outm, you should glitch and "hang" there. Contitue to holdthe direction towards the ledge with camera lock and you should slowly raise up hte ledge via tah glitch. Once up high enough, morph and stand still and bomb jump to the ledge! The rest is simple... --- Defying Metriod Prime's Linearity: http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/ |
| From: Psycho Falcon | Posted: 2/2/2003 9:59:26 PM |
| Or roll, the morphing actually gets on the ledge. (I just did it again). --- Defying Metriod Prime's Linearity: http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/ |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:10:40 PM |
| I think you still need to use the boost ball to activate the way to super missile, as well as to plasma beam. --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: tlj9204 | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:10:46 PM |
| Someone gonna answer my first question? And yeah, I never thought about that second level door. I gotta go knock him around now. -TIm --- <<Prime Discoveries>> http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: Psycho Falcon | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:13:03 PM |
| Yeah, and probably the way to the artifact near the main Magmoor/Phendrana elevator, but it saves a trip to Phendrana and back to get the Ice Beam. --- Defying Metriod Prime's Linearity: http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/ |
| From: Banks17 | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:17:09 PM |
| Are you basing this off of the fact that you can get spacejump by dbjm off the rock behind samus's ship? If so, good luck with that =( --- ~Metroid Prime Tricks~ http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: kip | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:22:24 PM |
| okay, i got to life grove without spider ball (that was easy). nevermind about needing the spider ball (i'll post explanation in a bit but i'd rather make a video as always). since i'm near reflecting pool i guess i'll try what psycho falcon was saying just to see if i can do it. i've got a few ideas about main quarry, but i can't get any of them to work, i keep getting close. it's probably possible to do it though. if i do that special space jump from that ledge with the track i can almost reach the door but i suck at it so i can't do it. |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:26:18 PM |
| *thinks* would that mean the only other room would be metroid quarantine A? --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zellmetroid - http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: funkytoad | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:27:27 PM |
| Yes, probably...however, metroid quarantine A is SO impossible that it's not even funny. I spent a good hour pissing around in that room, all for naught. The only "ledge" is actually blocked off by an invisible wall. --- ABICDEAFGHMIJKSLMNAOPQTRSTAUVWNXYZ http://www.dallasmac.com/acc/catalog.php?user=137 |
| From: kip | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:28:44 PM |
| plus sun tower. and ore processing unless someone gets to waste disposal/figures out a way to get from bottom to top of ore processing (we already know space jumping from 2nd to 3rd floor, i like doing that in a speed run). |
| From: tlj9204 | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:30:12 PM |
| How do you get to the Life Grove without the Spider Ball? I seem to be missing out on a bunch of these misc. tricks. And if you could find an alternate way through Quarantine A and the Sun Tower, would that eliminate the Spider Ball? -Tim --- <<Prime Discoveries>> http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: kip | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:31:55 PM |
| and ore processing... yep, that should be it for spider ball, since you can get through phazon processing center without it. |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:34:12 PM |
| the scariest rooms is the SunTower.. and i always forget about it... --- BtT: 3:53.77 - HRC: 44,025.3 Ft. - 10MM: 3:27.70 http://membres.lycos.fr/zellmetroid - http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid |
| From: kip | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:46:42 PM |
| uh ok i got up reflecting pool, i don't know if it's the same way but whatever. first go to where you are when you enter the room from hall of elders (the chozo head is staring at you, and a toad to your left and right). go left and jump on that first toad there. then turn around facing the door to hall of elders. look up some and lock your view. you are going to space jump to the ledge directly above you. jump off and move right and back slightly (make sure she doesn't hit her head anywhere so the jump isn't ended prematurely), then space jump towards the ledge. if it's done right, it looks like samus does a third jump up to reach the ledge, it's weird. yay. |
| From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:47:03 PM |
| I've fiddled around in the Main Quarry... I can kind of do tbjs now, but I'm not very good at it... I've ALMOST made it to the Waste Disposal with a L-Lock Spring Jump, but not quite there. I'm willing to bet it's possible. Too bad Metroid Quarantine A and Sun Tower will probably always require the Spider Ball... :( --- "I gets soooooooooooooo annoying!" ~ BlueWizard13 "I love to hear people praise me so please feel free to tell me how good I am." ~ jibtothemax |
| From: funkytoad | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:50:11 PM |
| In any event, going from the main quarry to ore processing will save me a bunch of time on my speed run, for my route. --- ABICDEAFGHMIJKSLMNAOPQTRSTAUVWNXYZ http://www.dallasmac.com/acc/catalog.php?user=137 |
| From: kip | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:53:12 PM |
| hmm NM about the third jump to the ledge, i did it a few more times to test how hard it was, and the way she got up was different each time. |
| From: zell99 | Posted: 2/2/2003 10:58:37 PM |
| kip- the important thing is that she gets up.. now we'd need to test which way is faster... getting plasma through twin f |