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MP Fastest Time Rankings and Sequence Breaking Discussion (V5.0)

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From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 10/23/2003 8:54:24 PM
Right, v4.0 finally reached 500 after almost four months of working on No Boost Ball & Space Jump and a lot of bumping, so... here's v5.0!

First things first. As many of you already know, Geothermal Core was recently solved without Boost Ball, and thanks to Trebor, no Boost Ball was confirmed and the new low% has been brought down to an incredible 22%! Now here's the bad part; we're running out of things to skip. We've been looking at Space Jump for a long time now, but first we need to beat the game without it, without 22% conditions. Beating the game without Space Jump, Spider Ball, AND Grapple Beam is quite a ways off, so we figure it's best to start with just no Space Jump, but collecting other items.

Fortunately, NSJ is well within our reach. The only unsolved room left is Geothermal Core (again), and that's being worked on, so a solution will probably be coming up. However, all of the rooms after Geo Core have to be confirmed. We know for sure that Space Jump affects Grapple Beam ability adversely, and it seems that it slightly affects single jump ability as well, but we're not 100% sure about that. All of the rooms have been done by just not using the Space Jump Boots (yes, including Impact Crater), but they need to actually be done without SJ.

After SJ's officially been cut out, I guess we'll start working towards 21%, but it's not going to be easy by any means. Many, many rooms still need solving for 21%, because to skip SJ currently, Spider Ball and Grapple Beam are needed.

Now then...

Metroid Prime High Scores

Normal any%
1. kip 1:23 (33%)
2. Radix37 1:34 (38%)
3. CAL Foolio 1:39 (43%)
<<<PAL>>> z0idi 1:40 (41%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 1:49 (52%)

Hard any%
1. Radix37 1:45 (33%)
2. Gold Leader 1:58 (31%)
3. CAL Foolio 2:49 (100%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 2:35 (47%)
<<<PAL>>>

Normal Low%
1. TreborSelbon 1:57 (23%)
2. gamecubeman27 2:29 (23%)
3. Radix37 2:31 (23%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 3:39 (23%)
<<<PAL>>> JDAdams 7:54 (24%)

Hard Low%
1. TreborSelbon 3:10 (23%)
2. kip 4:00 (24%)
3. Gold Leader 4:01 (26%)
<<<PAL>>>
<<<PAL>>>

Normal 100%
1. Radix37 2:10
2. CAL Foolio 2:19
3. TreborSelbon 2:25
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 3:10
<<<PAL>>> Madzombie 3:56

Hard 100%
1. Radix37 2:12
2. CAL Foolio 2:49
3. MetaRidley2 3:15
<<<PAL>>>
<<<PAL>>>

Frigate Escape Times (Time remaining)
1. kip 4:22.05
2. CAL Foolio 4:20.65
3. njahnke 4:17.20
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 4:11.78
<<<PAL>>>

There's still six empty PAL slots, so get those filled up! In addition, there aren't any 22% scores up yet, so anyone who's brave enough, keep that in mind for a low% score; any time will get you up there right now.

Well, that should cover everything. For more about the NSJ game, 22%, and other Sequence Breaking information, visit http://metroid.retrofaction.com, as always.
From: Radix37 | Posted: 10/23/2003 8:59:25 PM
This didn't make it to the high scores from the last topic, so i'll post it again: hard 100% in 2:09. Yeah that makes hard faster than normal :-p I'm working like crazy on normal, and I've actually got better than 2:10 (by a lot) but won't post the time until I'm done.
From: Refreshment | Posted: 10/23/2003 9:02:15 PM
This is the first time i take notice of the scores. Some of then are really amazing so i have a question.

Why havent you send a video to the rankings sites and set a new record? Because if memory serves right, i think they still have the old one.
From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 10/23/2003 9:05:52 PM
Also, I forgot Trebor's time of 2:20 for 22%, which is, being the only 22% time, the #1 low% time. Hey, don't blame me, I used the most recent update from v4.0, so I missed a couple of things. =P
From: Radix37 | Posted: 10/23/2003 9:10:12 PM
When I finish my normal 100% (real soon now...) I'll make the vids i've been recording public for everyone's pleasure! ;-)
From: CALFoolio | Posted: 10/23/2003 9:11:46 PM
nice job with the initial part5 post para.

am i still on the high scores list? o_O

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From: Radix37 | Posted: 10/23/2003 9:14:37 PM
yeah cal, we haven't had enough people to knock off your old crap times yet. Why do you think I keep trying to get people to speed run? Come on guys knock off that 2:49 for hard 100%!
From: Banks17 | Posted: 10/23/2003 11:32:49 PM
Why havent you send a video to the rankings sites and set a new record? Because if memory serves right, i think they still have the old one.

To my knowledge, kip did send his videos to Twin Galaxies. I guess they haven't had the time for a ref to review it yet /shrug
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From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 10/24/2003 2:07:04 AM
To commemorate the new topic, I'll post a relatively mediocre time, at least considering what I could have.

Normal 23%, 1:45

Can definitely get lower, possibly much lower, depending on the cooperativeness of Prime's second form.

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From: kyoopihd | Posted: 10/24/2003 3:03:10 AM
I haven't been to this board for a few weeks now, and I'm thinking one thing, and one thing only...

Radix, I want to just watch you play this game... Right now.
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 10/24/2003 3:54:05 AM
Wow I'm flattered. I actually got a part12 earlier for my 100%... first time I made it out of the mines, but I made so many mistakes I'm trying some more next week (can't play this weekend). So maybe in a week you can watch me play :-\
From: Refreshment | Posted: 10/24/2003 5:23:43 AM
Trebor a 1:45 for 23%, thats inzane.

Basically if you try an any percent game you could get below 1:20 obviously. So im looking forward to see one of your any percent games.

And thats the path you have in the FAQs or is another one?

Radix, you are going to make your videos available. Thats great finally well be able to see some of these incredible runs for real. Also looking forward to these runs.
From: B4hness | Posted: 10/24/2003 1:04:31 PM
No matter how many times I try I don't seem to get the space jump boots as first time.

I always fail at the last part dashing from your space ship to the ledge.

(I'm on PAL)
From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 10/24/2003 1:14:43 PM
B4hness | matter how many times I try I don't seem to get the space jump boots as first time.

I always fail at the last part dashing from your space ship to the ledge.

(I'm on PAL)

Try this out for size, if you haven't already:

www.samus.co.uk/mprime/sj_first.shtml

Movie and full instructions on how to do it on the PAL/US/Japanese Versions of the game. Hope that helps/

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From: Videogaming | Posted: 10/24/2003 5:09:39 PM
Lazy, lazy...if you're gonna post an update on the first post at least do it right :)

Metroid Prime High Scores

Normal any%
1. kip 1:23 (33%)
2. Radix37 1:34 (38%)
3. CAL Foolio 1:39 (43%)
<<<PAL>>> z0idi 1:40 (41%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 1:49 (52%)

Hard any%
1. Radix37 1:45 (33%)
2. Gold Leader 1:58 (31%)
3. CAL Foolio 2:49 (100%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 2:35 (47%)
<<<PAL>>>

Normal Low%
1. TreborSelbon 2:20 (22%)
2. TreborSelbon 1:45 (23%)
3. gamecubeman27 2:29 (23%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 3:39 (23%)
<<<PAL>>> JDAdams 7:54 (24%)

Hard Low%
1. TreborSelbon 3:10 (23%)
2. kip 4:00 (24%)
3. Gold Leader 4:01 (26%)
<<<PAL>>>
<<<PAL>>>

Normal 100%
1. Radix37 2:10
2. CAL Foolio 2:19
3. TreborSelbon 2:25
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 3:10
<<<PAL>>> Madzombie 3:56

Hard 100%
1. Radix37 2:09
2. CAL Foolio 2:49
3. MetaRidley2 3:15
<<<PAL>>>
<<<PAL>>>

Frigate Escape Times (Time remaining)
1. kip 4:22.05
2. CAL Foolio 4:20.65
3. njahnke 4:17.20
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 4:11.78
<<<PAL>>>

There are still 6 empty PAL slots...

I also put up Trebor twice in the low# category because his is the best 23% time, and that should be up there, even if it means he gets two slots...we can knock it off if two more people get a 22% game completed :)
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From: gamecubeman27 | Posted: 10/24/2003 9:37:39 PM
i'll see what i can do. might take me some time because school is not treating me to well right now, so i have little time for MP (or any videogames).
From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 10/24/2003 10:59:36 PM
When a few more people complete 22% games, we should have seperate categories for 22% and 23%. The reason for this is because there are some big differences between the two other than just dropping an item. Mainly, speed. 22% is not built for speed, while 23% is.

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From: Freezer the cool | Posted: 10/25/2003 3:21:42 AM
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From: SolrFlare | Posted: 10/25/2003 3:26:52 AM
And heaven help us if we manage to pull a 21% game...cause that will be very anti speed.
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From: B4hness | Posted: 10/25/2003 4:49:36 AM
Andrew Mills thanks for the link, but I already know about it ;) I've seen the film and read the instructions several times. But no matter how hard I try I seem to fail :(

Does it matter at which hz mode you play?
From: CrimsonMatrix | Posted: 10/25/2003 5:30:04 AM
Believe me bud, I still hate dash jumps. My only tip is uis once you start scanning don't take your time, mash right on the stick, hold it there double tap B and release L. The trick is pulling of the dash then imediately relaseing L.
From: kip | Posted: 10/25/2003 9:26:20 AM
i got 3 > 2 just now with a dbj ladder, so let's focus on the other problem.

if someone wants to find an easier way to do 3 > 2, that's fine but i think the other problem should be solved first, so that we can at least attempt to finish our files while whoever works on that easier method. the other problem is the only reason we still can't try for plasma.

also need to get everyone's opinion on whether the other problem should be attempted with 2 down or raised.
From: kip | Posted: 10/25/2003 10:54:33 AM
hmm i went from 1 (raised) to 2 (down) easily... something isn't right i think. it's probably having space jump. i'll try it again without, if it still works then there shouldn't be anything stopping any attempt to finish the game besides not being able to do a certain part.
From: kip | Posted: 10/25/2003 11:22:25 AM
yeah, i'm sure space jump is doing something, which probably also means 3 > 2 can't actually be done with a dbj ladder.

i don't understand how you run a legitimate test in this game anymore. next thing you know the phazon beam won't work because you don't space jump.

but it's stuff like this that made me insist things like life grove being done under exact 22% conditions before considering it possible.
From: Shere Khan | Posted: 10/25/2003 12:13:47 PM
Trebor, it's hard enough getting entries in the hard low% category with them all combined >_> it will be years before three 23% hard entries AND three 22% hard entries are submitted
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From: Tzyr | Posted: 10/25/2003 12:44:25 PM
Well done kip.
Like I mentioned before, hopefully the help sj gives does not effect this one..and I stil hope it is true :/
I will try w/o sj to do 1 > 2 for if that is possible..at least 3 > 2 might be in our grasp..I hope :/ this room will be a pain in the butt for if we fall after getting 1 > 2, we would have to reset the room so we could do it again :/
From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/27/2003 12:25:47 AM
Since this is related to sequence breaking, I figure I'll ask here:

I've only recently started practicing the kick-ass art that is sequence breaking, and I was kinda wondering if I can be judged as good, based on this info:

I have gotten Plasma Beam before Spider Ball(used it on Thardus, seems kinda overrated)(this should also tell you I got Ice Beam early).

I have gotten Grapple Beam without using Spider Ball(I had it, but I laid off it, I wanted to do it the hard way).

I have gotten to Central Dynamo with X-Ray Visor(wow, I didn't know Invisible Drone had a shield...).

It was very sweet indeed when I Space Jumped across the room with Hive Totem to get the Missile Launcher without a fight(not to mention finding out that HT reflects Missiles when I used them on it).

I got Wavebuster as the first item after Wave Beam.

I had the Ice Spreader before the Thermal Visor(I'd skip the visor if I knew where Power Conduits and things were).

I've discovered that fighting 3 Chozo Ghosts without the Super Missile, but with more Energy Tanks than I should have, isn't really all that bad.

So, can I be called a good sequence breaker based on this information?

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From: Tzyr | Posted: 10/27/2003 12:37:31 AM
Dun think of it as being a good or bad sequence breaker cause you can do certain tricks. This as it more you are getting better at this game and that if you are enjoying it, why not continue further? A good sequence breaker is one who discovers new things (for themselves, and hopefully it is new in general so it helps others).
The main goal is to have fun (yeah, I know, bad cliche)..but for me, just exploring and finding better and more efficient ways is quite fun.
Another thing you should consider is what benifits do you get from getting items out of order? You just doing them to say you did them? Cause two reasons why I know sequence breaking is used is to make a room/boss easier, or to find a faster way of doing something for speed runs. The fastests times are 1:23 for normal and 1:45 for hard (any %)...you get those times from skill, but also figuring out really efficient ways of getting through the game as fast as you can.
From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/27/2003 10:33:55 AM
Another thing you should consider is what benifits do you get from getting items out of order?

*pictures Space Pirates running right at me only to meet my Plasma Beam from point-blank range, and then others falling dead after just one shot and some burning* Ah, good times...
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From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/27/2003 3:40:48 PM
Okay, I'm in a tight spot in Metroid Quarantine A. I don't have the Spider Ball, and I want to see what the Phazon Ball looks like without it. So, what I want to know is if there's another way to reach the door in there. Here's the trouble:

1. I could use the "Freeze a Metroid the Scan-Dash Jump to the ledge" trick, except for one thing: While I was in Phendrana, going after the Gravity Suit, when I was in Research Lab Aether, I didn't think ahead and I scanned the Metroid in there. Then I saved. I lost the use of this method.

2. There is no way in HELL I'll be able to get the trick with the "Scan-Dash jump from the Missile Expansion into a Twisting L-Lock Space Jump" right anytime in this life.

So, is there another way to do it? If not, could someone at least give me a link to a screenshot of the Phazon Ball w/o Spider Ball, or is it the same as Gravity Ball?
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From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 10/27/2003 5:35:27 PM
gamer201, I'm pretty sure you can still do dash jumps off of scanned things. Just turn on the scan visor, tap L, and do a dash extremely quickly, before the information on the scan point is brought up. I'm PRETTY sure I've done that sort of thing before, but if not, good luck with the other method...
From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/27/2003 6:17:19 PM
Dammit... I've been trying since a few minutes after that posts, but I still can't get it... Could I just get a link to a screenshot of the Phazon Ball w/o Spider? I've officially given up on it, and would rather backtrack and kick some Thardus ass than keep this **** up...
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From: Cpt Izumi | Posted: 10/27/2003 6:23:29 PM
gamer, i've found the best way to do the missile expansion one is to actually lock on, then dash over to the other side but PULL BACK on the control stick while you're dashing. this will cause you to slide along the wall and you'll reach the platform MUCH easier. it took me hours to figure this out so i hope you take my advice ;)
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From: MetaRidley2 | Posted: 10/27/2003 6:53:29 PM
i think the phazon ball wont look black an red/orange.. unless you have spider..? it'll just stay the same as your vaira suit ball looks like.. like if you get Gravity First the ball will be Varia though you have Gravity..?
Donno though.. =(
From: Cpt Izumi | Posted: 10/27/2003 7:24:07 PM
oh by the way gamer...you need a lot more than a few minutes of practice
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 10/27/2003 9:01:47 PM
Phazon ball without Spider ball/Gravity ball is orange. It looks exactly the same.

By the way, you can still COMBAT VISOR DASH off of the frozen metroid. Use my strategy. Run through the room ignoring all the metroids until you get to the wall you must power bomb. Bomb it, bomb the second one, then kill all metroids around you. Then carefully make it up to that beam in the ceiling. Then shoot one of the metroids down by the door with a single power beam shot so that it comes after you. Freeze it, then dash. It's not that hard.
From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/27/2003 9:05:53 PM
*feels like a major ass after CAD's post* And this didn't occur to me why?...
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From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/27/2003 9:56:20 PM
Y'know, I haven't tried this, but would it work to get the Metroid on the side you're jumping to, freeze it, jump on it, look down at it(might need to charge the Ice Beam), lock on, then dash jump sideways, right at the door?
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From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 10/28/2003 12:23:27 AM
The Morph Ball with the Phazon Suit is nothing special without Spider. It's just the regular Power Suit Ball. Not the Varia, mind you.

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From: Destroyer F | Posted: 10/28/2003 3:49:22 AM
just letting you guys know:
We have made it into burn drome WITHOUT morph ball!!!
but it was on a 100% game

no morphball is VERY close now
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From: CrimsonMatrix | Posted: 10/28/2003 5:23:37 AM
Sweet!
From: Grim Death | Posted: 10/28/2003 9:53:35 PM
Can OP be hurt by Power Bombs in Morph Ball/Combat Visor? If he can, we may be able to stomp his ass into the mud without X-Ray Visor and make a 21% game possible, or even 20% if the SW Researchers can do No Morph Ball...
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 10/28/2003 10:21:55 PM
Of course he can't... you think that hasn't been tried in 11 months? No matter what, you have to have x-ray up to hurt OP, it's already been discussed to death. Frankly i'm quite glad, doing prime w/o thermal is bad enough!
From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/28/2003 10:27:22 PM
Dammit to Hell... Oh well, this is one resourceful-ass group, so they'll probably figure something out sooner or later to skip his ass or something... Hell, they may even be able to make the Troopers shoot at him and hurt him that way, who the hell knows?
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From: njahnke | Posted: 10/28/2003 10:55:32 PM
intriguing.
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From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 10/29/2003 11:29:10 AM
Welcome to a brand new - and fully legitamite - Sequence Break brought to you by the imagination of z0idi and the talents of Destroyer F (for finding SW9 in the 1st place).

z0idi has managed to collect the Morphball BEFORE missiles. How? Well, basically, you enter SW9 (chozo main plaza) and then open the missile door to Ruined Shrine from the back with the normal gun. Work your way (preferably by wallcrawling) all the way to the ruined shrine.

Simply walk to the middle, trigger the cut-scene, beat the beetles and collect the morphball. Now get onto the half-pipe, jump onto the solid branch, and collect the missiles at the top. Use these to exit back to the main plaza.

VIOLA! Morphball upgrade before Missiles. And perfectally do-able without an AR2. Not exactly speedy or that useful, but it still works and is a legitimate sequence break. =)

Movie and screens to be made of it by this weekend (maybe even tonight). Congrats again to z0idi and Destroyer F.

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From: kip | Posted: 10/30/2003 8:12:24 AM
"When a few more people complete 22% games, we should have seperate categories for 22% and 23%. The reason for this is because there are some big differences between the two other than just dropping an item. Mainly, speed. 22% is not built for speed, while 23% is."

i sort of disagree with this; has low % ever really been built for speed since charge was dropped? charge made the biggest time difference of anything. it's just a challenge... and then whoever happens to have the lowest time just has the higher place.

i think the current system is fine with the lower % having priority over a better time, or maybe it should just become 22% only since it's the lowest. it doesn't matter much in the end though; your times will be 1st. =\

disguised bump if you couldn't tell.
From: SeeAlso | Posted: 10/30/2003 1:43:28 PM
This may be a little off topic, but I have a qusestion of opinion about a low percent run:

When going from main quarry to Elite Research to get the Artifact of Warrior, Is it easier to backtrack to main quarry after getting it and just continuing to central dynamo through waste disposal?

Hope that made sense...
From: Cpt Izumi | Posted: 10/30/2003 11:06:39 PM
bumpity
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 10/30/2003 11:54:32 PM
SeeAlso: i'd say go back to main quarry. You don't have to deal with the trooeprs and turrets in elite research, ore the w/o spider method of ore processing.
From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 10/31/2003 11:24:06 PM
You make a good point, kip.

But either way, I don't think time itself will be a huge problem, unless you let it be. You can always restart if you don't do something like Geo Core or Vent Shaft on the first try. =P

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From: zell99 | Posted: 11/1/2003 1:18:01 PM
O_O
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/1/2003 3:19:57 PM
lol...

trebor is one of a kind.
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/1/2003 11:05:54 PM
I still have great doubts about some of these times and how you can defeat the bosses with such effeciency... (Then again, I perfer to play the game without sequence breaking and I feel it ruins some of the experence if you do)

Still, defeating Omega Pirate and Meta Ridley with 99 energy?

I bet it was posted, but I'd like to hear the stratagy of beating those two

Unless you use Action Replay, then that opens up a whole new field...

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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/1/2003 11:19:40 PM
"I still have great doubts about some of these times and how you can defeat the bosses with such effeciency"

bwhahah....... doubt this: Normal 100% in 1:38

I'd really like 1:37, but I'm not sure I can do it from my save in central dynamo. I'll keep trying for a while yet. Stayed tuned for vids!
From: dilbert627 | Posted: 11/1/2003 11:31:17 PM
Radix:

I WANT THAT VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!1111111111

;)
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/2/2003 12:03:20 AM
I said stay tuned :-p

I'll try for 1:37 for 2-3 more days before I go ahead and post the 1:38... and I might still keep trying after that.
From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/2/2003 12:59:04 AM
Trieze, gimme a break...

I can't think of anything more appropriate to say about Trebor then what njahnke said...

Great time Radix. That beats Cal's time for any% o_0
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From: SolrFlare | Posted: 11/2/2003 4:59:42 AM
Ridley is easy with 99 energy once you have the timing down to dodge...it just takes awhile to take him down and you can't make more than one mistake otherwise you are toast.

OP can be more frustrating but the key is to take down certain trooper types first and maximise the damage you deal while he is recharging.

Both take lots of practice...but they have not only been done, they've been done on as low as 22% without an AR...meaning all you have is the beams with no charge and a handful of missles to do it....and if you are daring...4 power bombs to use against OP as well.
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/2/2003 1:34:20 PM
*looks at Radix37's time*

So, action replay can be used... That should make it interesting...

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From: N10sb2002 | Posted: 11/2/2003 1:59:23 PM
Radix: Here's an idea: go up Elite Research the fast way. The way without activating the platforms. Do you know what I'm talking about? If not, meet me in IRC and I'll send you a video.
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/2/2003 2:19:32 PM
Treize: I don't even own an AR, so don't even think I cheated.

n10: I already did that. Well, from 2 to 3 anyway... I use the plats to go from 1 to 2 because the way of skipping those plats isn't any faster.
From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/2/2003 2:53:05 PM
1:38.... *cries*

But seriously, Radix... that's amazing. I've been working on a 100% route for some time now, and I thought it kicked ass... but I bet it pales in comparison to yours. Mind sharing? Or is it classified?
From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 11/2/2003 3:34:39 PM
@Radix

MANY MANY congrats to your 100% speed run. That's just friggin nuts! O_O

Seeing as you've pretty muched owned the 100% Speed Run for yourself, what's the chances of you writing a a 100% speed run guide/FAQ for GF's and/or Samus.co.uk?

And i'd happily pay for a copy of your run on video... =)

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From: Refreshment | Posted: 11/3/2003 6:13:06 AM
I know that Treize Knight, since a good while ago, had something of a problem with this topic and the guys that hang around here and is always looking up to ruffle some feathers.

Some of his points dont have base since there are FAQ's for sequence breacking and also videos.

But you must admit that he has the right to be skeptic since
some of does incredible times posted have no proof at all.
Just think about someone completly new to the boards that see the times, put yourself in hes shoes, what would you think?
I know must of them are posible but there are a few ones that are out of this world, so is hard to have faith in then, even if you want to, without any prove.
From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 11/3/2003 7:35:23 AM
That's certainly a fair enough point to make. I mean, I trust Radix and everyone else who do speed runs, but even for me, seeing a 1:38 100% run is quite frankly mind-boggling.

That's an extra 67% or so in only 13 minutes (when compared to the current any % WR by Kip). Which is insane. Truley insane. If it wasn't for the SB'ers credibility it would be hard to accept such times.

I personally would LOVE to see the 1:23 any % and 1:38 100% runs on video. It would be a great insight into just how it's all possible.

But yea, for newer players they do seem unfeasible, but then so does 42 minutes on Super Metroid and that's certianly possible on cart as well as ROM...

It's a shame it's hard to make/get such proof for MP compared to full small file-seized ZMV runs for Super Metroid... =(

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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/3/2003 12:33:08 PM
radix, you should post crazy_route.txt in full here. i'm sure the other s.breakers won't mind.
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From: Refreshment | Posted: 11/3/2003 1:01:58 PM
Yea Andrew, thats exactly what i think.
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/3/2003 9:33:08 AM
radix, you should post crazy_route.txt in full here. i'm sure the other s.breakers won't mind

I second that. That will be great if Radix put one, altough he promised a video.

Looking forward to it.
From: kip | Posted: 11/3/2003 1:34:08 PM
well, if radix releases his run soon, i can't see why he wouldn't also release every future run of his. in many people's eyes something like this is probably long overdue, and i couldn't dispute that. unless you know the board's history, there is no reason that i can see to believe any time.

the main reason i think nothing was released before this had to do with an issue of not being sure whether to just throw out all the hard work that went into making these times possible over all these months, just like that. it's not an issue of competition (it's a game; who would care?), it's just that when you find something that isn't known by anyone else i guess there's something that gnaws at you to keep it to yourself. i was definitely torn on my stance on this for a long time, but i convinced myself that it doesn't matter.

i've seen people refuse to do this in other games, and part of me used to wonder why they would even do something like that, but i guess part of me sort of understands in a way also.

so anyway... i don't think it would be a stretch to expect stuff from here on out to be easy to get. it's up to the individual in the end since it's their run, but i don't see all the lame secrecy lasting much longer.

it'll be interesting to see if anyone beats his time once they're actually speed running on the same conditions.
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/3/2003 1:51:24 PM
Do you think posting just the text route is worth it, since the route will be obvious when I post the vids? Of course the vids will be a while yet since I'm still trying part12+ and I'll have to due up a page for them.

About believability: Around 7 months ago when I first heard of cal's 1:46 I thought it must be really good. Then I saw he had 2:19 for 100% and i was like "no way!". Soon I tried my own 100%, with a route he gave me, and I ended up with 2:10. Everyone wanted to see a < 2:00 for 100% but I kept saying it would not be me. Then after I did hard 100% using a slightly changed route and got 2:12, I knew my 2:10 was crap. Finally I fixed the biggest problem in the route: taking 2 minutes to get the gravity chamber missile later, becaue I couldn't get it w/o grapple. Three months later, and I've got 1:38 :-)

Tim already has a speed guide here on GF, although it was written a few months back, the main purpose of it was only to include the easy to do SB tricks in order to get a decent 100% time. Having something like crossway's missile w/o boost in a guide like that would be over the top, but I'll bet a few things I do can go in there no problem.

My time is also certainly improvable... even if I get 1:37. I lost 30 seconds in observatory because I activated everything, instead of doing the tricky dash jump to get up top w/o doing so. Other places I have many 5-10 second mistakes too, but when I have 10+ minute segments (saves are hard to come by) I have to just accept something eventually.
From: Refreshment | Posted: 11/3/2003 3:31:16 PM
the main reason i think nothing was released before this had to do with an issue of not being sure whether to just throw out all the hard work that went into making these times possible over all these months, just like that. it's not an issue of competition (it's a game; who would care?), it's just that when you find something that isn't known by anyone else i guess there's something that gnaws at you to keep it to yourself. i was definitely torn on my stance on this for a long time, but i convinced myself that it doesn't matter.

Going by that, why bother then with a score board? Altough i understand what you are trying to say. But even if someone posts the video of the run, that doesnt mean youll be detroned instantly. Remember theres the skill factor, if you have faith on your skills, then theres no problem.

Plus is not like this board is full with people, infact there are just a few that are interested in this things.

If you go to the SM boards the guys there make available they're speed runs for viewing and share the rutes. So i think theres nothing wrong with that.

BTW, i believe your speed run time, because i can picture it in my mind. If you made the video available it could be great but even without it i believe it.

However there are other runs that i cant imagine how they were achieve.
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/3/2003 5:34:11 PM
If you go to the SM boards the guys there make available they're speed runs for viewing and share the rutes. So i think theres nothing wrong with that.

again, the community's precedent takes precedence

;)

i don't mind it one bit, either...the problem of there being no runs of the 2002 metroid games available should be fixed momentarily as metroid 2002, part 2 goes online. sess's run is especially needed to combat rampant lying/faking on the fusion best times board.

the funny thing is that radix posted his time here (which is 100% (lol) legitimate) and it was attacked, and people post impossible times on the fusion board and people just accept it like oh wow, what a good time.
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From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/3/2003 5:53:06 PM
If nobody minds, I'd like to post my 100% route to get some feedback on whether or not it's as efficient as I suspect. If no one cares, then meh. Just give me the word.
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/3/2003 7:29:04 PM
You can always post it, for I am sure people will give opinions on it. Now, my 100% route is different from Radix' for he loves his grapple beam..where I try to just make the jumps..now, if you post your's, we could give input on why you would choose another path..or maybe you thought of something we did not.
(grapple does make the game so much easier ;p I was able to get the quarantine missile by dashing like you posted earlier, but if you have grapple, you sure can get it a lot easier and not much slower)
From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/3/2003 8:04:35 PM
There's corruption on nearly every board with a high score topic. There's no getting around it.

Just a few months ago, we kicked out montypython for having some incredible times (they're beaten now...but they were good then), because he had some dubious traits. It was obvious he was lying because of his false routes.

And if you've ever seen the SSBM board...I don't even wanna go there. Trebor can sympathize with me on this. Corruptions are abound; strat hoarding and lying are disgustingly common. Even those with good reputations are sometimes found guilty of lying, because they are sick of other people doing it.

So it's reasonable to question times, and the person who achieves the score should be obligated to provide a strategy. However, distinguished sequence breakers like radix should be given some leeway.

And radix, I, for one, would like to see the written strat, cuz I have 56k and don't wanna dl large mb videos...
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/3/2003 10:17:02 PM
yeah, go ahead and post, radix. should blow some peoples' minds.

oh, and do i actually deserve my name being in the route title? did i contribute anything that ended up in the final route you used? just curious, as it would be rather funny if your route were "CALFoolio-Radix" and mine were "CALFoolio-Radix-Nate-Tzyr" ;P
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/3/2003 10:29:01 PM
I'd just like to say that I've seen Radix's 1:38 100% run and it truly is unbelievable. It's beauty in motion, nearly flawless in execution. I can understand why people would question his claim, but once you see the run, the haze of doubt and skepticism lifts, giving birth to a new pristine vision of what exactly constitutes a "100% MP speed run". It's a very humbling experience. I would liken it to being in the presence of God himself; An occurrence so powerful in concept that upon witnessing it, you are overcome by a surreal sense of tranquility that results in your direct unification with the cosmos...

Well, maybe the unification with the cosmos part is pushing it, but you get the idea. It's Good.
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/3/2003 10:40:40 PM
in my opinion, no one will ever even try to beat this run with the same route after seeing it. it's that good.

he just doesn't give up...he's a mutant.

for reasons that will become clear soon, i know firsthand how impossible a proposition it would be to get a better time in 100% now.
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/3/2003 11:03:23 PM
LeCoureur103: I'd like to see the route you made up sure... are you actually working on a speed run, or you were working on the route only at this point? After I see yours I can post mine heh. And now it's time to unveil my first ever sig :-p
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From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 11/4/2003 3:33:00 AM
I doubt that I'd be able to beat it, but if I can see and apprehend the route in my head first, I'm sure I could give it a good old crack of the whip at least... ;)

Besides, I could always set the PAL normal/hard 100% records easy enough at the very worst! ;)

I have to say that to see a 100% run in motion would truly be special as a serious MP player. SO Radix, it'd be sweet to see your guide either on Gamefaqs or via e-mail, or even on the Metroid IRC board...

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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/4/2003 9:48:00 AM
on the Metroid IRC board...

hehe...the only reason it was general metroid and not the mhq irc channel is that i was in there. :P
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From: dilbert627 | Posted: 11/4/2003 9:08:14 PM
Well, maybe the unification with the cosmos part is pushing it, but you get the idea. It's Good.


HAHAHAHA! I look forward to it.

And personally, I would much rather have a video than a text guide. It was a video on the Metroid Speed Run site that really got me into the whole speedrun thing in the first place. It also helped my technique out quite a bit by seeing the path, tricks, etc. Of course, I'll probably need both in Prime because I will be 'How did he do that ?!?!' ;-)
From: Amasawa | Posted: 11/4/2003 10:17:12 PM
Don't pay any attention to Treize Knight. Even when he appears to show up (yet again) to express doubt over things he's been proven wrong on before, rest assured he's just a figment of your imagination. I mean, he feels entitled to express his opinion that's based on personal impressions and concrete evidence to the contrary, so why shouldn't I? ;-)
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/5/2003 12:03:26 AM
pwned.
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From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/5/2003 6:06:08 PM
I would love to post my route, but... err... how should I?

It would be too time-consuming to give a room-by-room account, it would be too vague and leave lots of questions if I said something like "When you get this item, go clear out that area", and god knows I don't have the technology to make a video... Solutions? Anyone?
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/5/2003 7:57:56 PM
Either just post the order of the major items or each of the 100 items... no need to go room by room. If you want to do all 100 and not post it here, you could link to a txt file offsite instead. BTW have you actually started a run, you didn't say?
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From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/5/2003 8:11:00 PM
Where can I see this video, and is it available for download?

And regardless, I would like to see a text version of the route, if you don't mind.
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/5/2003 8:42:28 PM
This is your figment of imagenation speaking...

I might as well recite a line from the Movie Super Troopers on what I think of the 1:38 min speed time.

"Bull****"

You can e-mail me a video of it, and if you do pull it off, then I will give you my regards, but fighting all the bosses eats up to 30-40 mins, so how can you get everything else?

Hmmm... I think I'll go for the speed run, using the techniques of the champion of course... ^~
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/5/2003 9:53:22 PM
You can e-mail me a video of it

I don't think Radix would bother sending you a 500+ mb file just to prove you, a newbie, wrong. XD
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From: Cpt Izumi | Posted: 11/6/2003 1:58:24 AM
radix is there anyway i can see your 100% run?? do you have it up on a website or anything? thanksss!
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/6/2003 11:40:54 AM
he's going to post it so you can download it after he gets his final time. :)
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/6/2003 5:54:36 PM
"You can e-mail me a video of it
I don't think Radix would bother sending you a 500+ mb file just to prove you, a newbie, wrong. XD"

A newbie? Old your tounge lad... I've been on the Nintendo front since the days of game and watch. Hell, I even was able to get a bag of rice from when Nintendo produced those... From a transporation company, love hotels and cards, to electronics. Ahh the times have changed so much.

You youngins always have to be the best at everything you do, can't you just sit back in the awe of how technoligy has progressed? Listen to the music composed? Read the story and think about it? Bah, all you care about is a small ledge which you can jump on to get a place you wouldn't be able to.

But a 1:38 minute game including all the bosses and getting all the items with no cheats and some sequence breaking. Don't make me laugh, it is improbable that sure a feat could be attained.

Now ya disreaspectful little welps, I'm going to do what was intended for the game, to be enjoyed and not be turned into a competition...

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/6/2003 6:25:55 PM
I'll get around to reading the rest of your post after I stop trying to figure out how to "Old" my tongue.
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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/6/2003 6:28:54 PM
You youngins always have to be the best at everything you do, can't you just sit back in the awe of how technoligy has progressed? Listen to the music composed? Read the story and think about it? Bah, all you care about is a small ledge which you can jump on to get a place you wouldn't be able to.

You can only awe at the music and technology so many times before you want to start jumping on things.
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/6/2003 6:33:59 PM
isn't a game defined as a competition with something or someone?
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/6/2003 6:55:43 PM
A newbie? Old your tounge lad... I've been on the Nintendo front since the days of game and watch. Hell, I even was able to get a bag of rice from when Nintendo produced those... From a transporation company, love hotels and cards, to electronics. Ahh the times have changed so much.

You bought rice from Nintendo? Am I supposed to be impressed? I, um, bought some Nintendo combo cereal back in the late 1980's that had both Mario and Link on the box. PH34R~

You youngins always have to be the best at everything you do, can't you just sit back in the awe of how technoligy has progressed? Listen to the music composed? Read the story and think about it? Bah, all you care about is a small ledge which you can jump on to get a place you wouldn't be able to.

First, you assume that we're young. Most of us are actually in our 20's, and of course we listen to the music and read the story. But the fact is, this game has been out for almost a year and we've moved beyond the initial stage of aesthetic appreciation and story immersion. We've done the same thing that has happened to Super Metroid; Enhanced our enjoyment of the game further by invoking methods and techniques that allow for the fastest completion time possible.

But a 1:38 minute game including all the bosses and getting all the items with no cheats and some sequence breaking. Don't make me laugh, it is improbable that sure a feat could be attained.

Well seeing as how Radix worked on the run for roughly 3 months, and a select few have actually seen the videos, then it sure as hell is possible. When people such as yourself mock the authenticity of someone's work, it makes the creator of that work beam with joy because he's done something someone can only imagine possible with the assistance of a cheating device. Quite a compliment you're giving Radix there.

Now ya disreaspectful little welps, I'm going to do what was intended for the game, to be enjoyed and not be turned into a competition...

We're disrespectful? You're the one coming into our thread accusing a respected and credible speed runner of cheating. And as for "playing the game as it was intended" and "not making this into a competition", then you shouldn't care about what we have to say in this thread. Just because someone is better than you at a video game through months of practice and possesses incredible amounts of skill is no reason to attack them. We're not rubbing Radix's accomplishment in anyone's face. The purpose of this topic is to keep a record of those who have the skill to beat the game as fast as possible. You chose to enter this topic, and I feel that because you are so jealous of Radix's abilities you attempted to degrade his achievement by claiming he cheated.

There's only one word that can accurately describe your pettiness, ineptness, and lack of maturity, and that word is: Newbie
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From: Gameboy2003 | Posted: 11/6/2003 6:59:21 PM
Actually make that n00b
A newbie is new to something.
A n00b is a jack***.
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/6/2003 7:01:13 PM
It's simple on how you "old" your tounge, you just have to figure it out.

Also a game is a compeition, but this is so easy to lie about, there's no creditblity to it. I might as well try the escape run and see how I do, and we'll see if I am beliveable...

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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/6/2003 7:16:02 PM
easy to lie about, easy to prove you did it. coming to home video this month!
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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/6/2003 7:20:25 PM
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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/6/2003 7:22:40 PM
Well treize, since you're so certain that radix and everyone else are lying about this (even though you've been proven wrong every time you've tried this crap before, I question how old you can really be if you still haven't learned how to learn from your mistakes)

Why don't you try putting your karma where your mouth is. How does this proposition sound:

If Radix provides proof within the next few days of his claim of 1:38 100% (or 1:37 if he manages to redo the last segments well enough to get that) you will account suicide your Treize Knight account. If he can't, then I will suicide this one, as well as proclaim you the greatest and most correct person ever, and I will denounce radix and all sequence breakers as the liars they are in the most flashy and mightiest account suicide ever. But yours has to be good too if you lose, also admitting what an ass you are and how you don't know jack about anything. What do you say?

Not so sure of yourself anymore?
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From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/6/2003 7:32:18 PM
Arguing with Treize is fruitless...trust me, I've tried before.

Some skepticism is healthy, but Treize's level of it is offensive, bullheaded, and ridiculous.

So, please go away.
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From: BlackMaurader | Posted: 11/6/2003 7:51:22 PM
*me switches topic away from flaming*

I have two questions, again... is there any way that you can scale Root Cave and collect the missile expansion at the top w/o the grapple beam? And can you do the same in the Furnace and get the missile expansion there w/o the boost ball/powerbombs/spider ball?

I'm trying LC's highest-%-before-Flaahgra run for kicks. Currently at 25%. I've also decided that the artifact of nature is uncollectable w/o a totally perfect run through (getting health refills from the grizbys on the first platforms, the burrower (and not getting hit by it), a couple puffers, dodging the magmoor, pre-opening the rock pillar before running through, and not touching lava once). :/

I have yet to try the missile expansion in Firey Shores. I don't think I want to. >_<
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/6/2003 8:08:36 PM
Well Shere Khan, I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I was wrong before about some of the tactics employed, but if this deal is to take place, I want to see the ENTIRE video of it. Although it is fruitless since the video could easily be edited, unless I time it and make sure all the items were collected.

Some choice, but if you can prove it with video footage and I can personally confirm it and that all items were collected and no tampering was commited. I'll gladly commit sucide at this forum and repent for the "stupidy" I commited.

You're on.

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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/6/2003 8:47:09 PM
From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/6/2003 5:08:36 PM | Message Detail

Well Shere Khan, I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I was wrong before about some of the tactics employed, but if this deal is to take place, I want to see the ENTIRE video of it. Although it is fruitless since the video could easily be edited, unless I time it and make sure all the items were collected.

Some choice, but if you can prove it with video footage and I can personally confirm it and that all items were collected and no tampering was commited. I'll gladly commit sucide at this forum and repent for the "stupidy" I commited.

You're on.

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It's a deal then. No backies, no chicken outs or the one who does will an outcast on this board and any other he is seen on by people who know of this event.

It's thursday now, I said a few days, so let's give radix the weekend to get things up and running.

I will place the deadline for my own side of the bet at the end of this coming weekend. Midnight on Sunday night/Monday morning, gamefaqs time.

If the weekend ends and (by the aforementioned time) radix has not provided substantial video proof of his ENTIRE run, for verification by us all that all items were collected and no tampering done, I will hold up my end of the bargain and suicide as I promised.

If at any time between now and then, he DOES provide said proof, you will do as you have agreed, and suicide and repent.

Let the wait begin.

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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/6/2003 9:13:15 PM
using a slightly modified route from the one radix was doing, i successfully completed the game with 100% pickups and a clear time of 1:50.

this run originally had two purposes:

1) radix encouraged me to try to beat him, which obviously would make him slack less. this was a success, especially at the beginning when i was ahead of him after the frigate.
2) to have a prime run to post on my site. at the time (mid-august), i felt it was necessary to show that my site was worth visiting, and the #1 or #2 best 100% run in the world would be an attractive bit of content. unfortunately for me, this purpose vanished by the time i was fighting metroid prime. i can say i learned a lot from the run, though, and it was pretty fun.

everyone (who has quicktime) will be able to see my run on metroid2002.com after the launch of m2k2, part 2 on 11 november (this tuesday).

until then!
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From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/6/2003 9:44:50 PM
BlackMaurader, you cannot get the furnace expansion without spider (you can get the the last ledge though..but because it curves out, you just cannot get up there). If you want to try it, go right ahead for it would be a great find.
I made you a video of the root cave dash. I even went up to the expansion so you can see where you jump even though the platforms are invisible. Sorry about the sound though..not sure what is up with that. Hope you have windows media player.
http://houseplant.tk/brian/root_cave_dash.wmv
Hope that helped.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/6/2003 10:33:23 PM
I admit that I'm kinda jealous of Radix. I've wanted to smash my screen several times trying to do a speed run... I just don't think I've got the stuff to do it fast. I give up. I'll never make a world record *sniff*

However, Last night I wanted to see if I could beat the entire game in one sitting for my first time. I simply played played played, Saved sometimes, never re-loaded the game, went out of my way for several extra items, and tripped over many sequence breaking tricks, having to try them 3 times... I took my time... Every time I screwed something up, I'd say to myself "I'm Sooo glad this isn't a speed run." and I'd keep going. It was a wonderful feeling. I even forgot the artifact in the chozo ice temple, and I had to go get it before I went to my ship for the last time.

Well, I saved in the ship right before Ridley, and my mom knocked on my door and told me to go to bed *darn!* So I hit the power button and went to bed. Next morning I was curious to see what my time was.

2:01!!!!!!

WOW!!! 2:01 before Ridley. And I made so many mistakes... Do you think I got what it takes to break time recors?
From: Cpt Izumi | Posted: 11/7/2003 2:39:11 AM
i can't wait to see radix's video
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From: funkytoad | Posted: 11/7/2003 8:29:01 AM
BlackMarauder:A long time ago I tried to see what % I could get before flaahgra, and I got 25%...however, this was WITH the artifact that you get in the pillar, in that one lava room (I'm sure you know what I'm talking about). The key is, since that room with the pillar takes health much faster, kill all of the enemies in the first room as you run through, but leave the health. Then once you get the artifact, grab the health on the way back. By doing this, you'll be more health efficient, and make it fairly easily. Also, you need to make a preliminary run, just to destroy the pillar =P
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:47:16 AM
CtrlAltDestroy2, it sounds like you have the ability to run with the best. just be really persistent and don't take a segment until you get it all right (or very, very close to all right, anyway. ;)

and funkytoad, sup, long time no see (or long time i've never seen you in person, period ;P)
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From: z0idi | Posted: 11/7/2003 10:25:03 AM
hya,

just a minor update: PAL normal 1:33 (38%)
(3 screenshots can be found at http://n.ethz.ch/student/kistlerd/download/MP/ )

cheers,
zoidi
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/7/2003 10:59:17 AM
now there's a way to convince people of your time ;) would be a tremendous pain to fake those pictures. way to go, zoidi!
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From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 11/7/2003 11:13:14 AM
z0idi | just a minor update: PAL normal 1:33 (38%)

Hmmm... FAKE! z0idi's a c0nf1g h4x0r!!111oneone!!1122! That time can't be done! *dies*

Well done. You DO understand tho, that I will have to beat this. Ahem. Sometime. *turns and runs*

So, well done again. =)

Andrew "MP SW Monkey" Mills
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From: Refreshment | Posted: 11/7/2003 1:39:04 PM
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/7/2003 7:59:17 AM | Message Detail
now there's a way to convince people of your time ;) would be a tremendous pain to fake those pictures. way to go, zoidi!

Well pictures have been faked in this very topic so a screen
cap isnt the answer.

BTW, i believe Zoidi and those times.

Regarding the videos, you should put the entire run on a fileshare program. Kazaa is good choice because is very popular.
Is better than to separate the run in segments, i think. I do know that if its going to be posted at a website the obvious choice is a segmented run.

Both ways could be great. Im specting this run more than any movie of this year.

Maybe a good way to start the video is from the save at Samus ship including the "choose file" menu.
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/7/2003 2:08:06 PM
kip, i need to talk to you about some stuff for the site. if you could come by the channel this evening i would really appreciate it. i hope i can remember everything... :/

ama, if you're around, i also need to talk to you. my email is nate@metroid2002.com if you don't feel like getting on irc, either of you.

thanks!
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From: BlackMaurader | Posted: 11/7/2003 3:46:09 PM
Thanks a bunch Tyzr. It took me half an hour (idiot dash jumps >_< ), but I finally got that missile expansion and now am at 26%.

funkytoad: Then once you get the artifact, grab the health on the way back.

Meh. I've been killing the grizbys before entering the superheated room and grabbing the health on my way there. Now that I think about it, I was probably topping off my health and wasting some. Better keep the charge beam off.

That, turning around right instead of left after getting the missile expansion, and some health refills from puffers should let me get through and obtain 27%. I've already gotten to be able to jump over the lake in the last room before dying, a bit more energy should work like a charm. Then I just got Firey Shores and the Furnace to work on...

How _do_ you get all the way up to below the missile expansion in the furnace anyways? I think you might have to dash jump from the beetles on the floor to the first spider ball track from atop the boiler, but... I dun wanna try that. I just spent half an hour on a simpler one in Root Cave, I'm not keen on it. :/
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/7/2003 6:50:27 PM
The deal is on, but I have my conditions for it to be met.

First the time has to be 1:35 mins, if you can shave off unbeliveable amount of time off, this should be no problem. I was gonna say 1:37, but if you are that good, shaving off two minutes in boss battles and mowing down enemies should be that hard. ^~

I want the full video including all the cut scenes, as to prove that no tampering was commited. This goes with the sound as well, for if there is any problem with the music, I will assume the time has been tampered with.

The deadline, I'll agree with, Sunday Night. Or better yet, 9:00 PM EST. If it is completed and the unaltered Movie is e-mailed to to me, to give headway, I'll give you till 11:00 PM EST for the movie to arrive in my inbox. E-mail to TreizeKnight@aol.com

Once I fully reveiw it, (I will give it a full and entire review proving that it was done) And if the time is met, then I will banish myself from this realm and repent for what I have said.

Should the deadline pass or the time not met, you must banish yourself form this fourm as agreed and I win domain over the Sequence Breakers.

I might be a very doubtful a-hole, but I still retain my honor, if I keep my end of the bargin and lose. I shall leave gracefully, by leaving a simple post in this forum and leaving this place forever.

Those are the guidelines of this competion
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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/7/2003 7:03:14 PM
First the time has to be 1:35 mins

Radix never claimed 1:35. He claimed 1:38, with the possibly of 1:37. Why do you want him to supply something BETTER than his claim is? That's just beyond stupid on your part.
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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/7/2003 7:15:13 PM
Oh no you don't, treize. Let's try this again:

ME:If Radix provides proof within the next few days of his claim of 1:38 100% (or 1:37 if he manages to redo the last segments well enough to get that) you will account suicide your Treize Knight account. If he can't, then I will suicide this one, as well as proclaim you the greatest and most correct person ever, and I will denounce radix and all sequence breakers as the liars they are in the most flashy and mightiest account suicide ever. But yours has to be good too if you lose, also admitting what an ass you are and how you don't know jack about anything. What do you say?

YOU: if you can prove it with video footage and I can personally confirm it and that all items were collected and no tampering was commited. I'll gladly commit sucide at this forum and repent for the "stupidy" I commited.

You're on


At that point the deal was made and the conditions set. I later was more specific about the deadline because "a few days" was vague, but that was the ONLY thing vague about it.

Radix tried for 3 months to get his 1:38 time. 1:35 is a LOT to ask for. His run was near perfect as it is. He'd have to re-do the whole thing for 1:35, to gain 5 seconds here and 5 seconds there, and that would take LONGER than 3 months, because he'd have to be even MORE perfect.

It doesn't work like that, treize. You agreed that if he provided proof of his 1:38 claim then you would account suicide. These were the terms and to this you agreed. If you had honor you would not try to change that.

You're trying to chicken out. No chicken outs, no backsies, treize. If he provides proof, you will do more than leave. You will ACCOUNT SUICIDE, and admit how much of an ass you were, just like the original agreement. If you do not, I will personally do my best to make sure that I make your life miserable every time I see you on any board, and I will instruct everyone I know to do the same, and everyone from this board will forever more know how pathetic and spineless you are for chickening out.

The terms are proof of his entire 100% run in 1:38 or in 1:37. You agreed. That's all there is to it. By the end of the weekend if he provides it you will either uphold your end of the bargain or you will be outcast from this board by everyone who remembers this.

If the deadline is passed and no proof is provided (and it doesn't need to be e-mailed to you, it just needs to be provided, links to it posted on this board will do fine) then I will suicide this account as I agreed. I have honor. We'll see if you do when the time comes.

He does not have to meet 1:35. That's rediculous and you know nothing about the game if you think it's easy to shave off 3 minutes from an already near-perfect run. You're obviously no longer sure of yourself if you're trying to change the terms. You know you will lose.

I will give you one last chance to back out if you are scared. Admit you were wrong and an ass and don't know anything about this game. Then I will break you from your obligation in this bet. You don't have to suicide, you can keep your account. However, you must never come to this board again.

If your refuse, the bet is still on. In it's original terms.

That is all.

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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/7/2003 8:10:06 PM
Here's my assesment of the situation:

http://www.fanta.dk/showmovie.asp?mid=03DEC008-0EF5-48C6-ACFA-9CBD893679C1
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From: BlackMaurader | Posted: 11/7/2003 8:53:54 PM
Honestly.

Does Radix even know he's being expected to provide by Sunday? Has he even read these posts? It's a totally moot argument if he shows up going... "um, what bet?"

And besdies, the bet itself is pointless. Noone will listen to Treize, even if he does win (for the above reason). And if Shere wins, this situation goes back to what it was before - OMG RADIX, U SO 1337!!!!!1111 Seriously, you guys could probably break his time many times over if you simply tried for a while (granted, like 3-4 months... but still). You don't set (near)-perfect records after the game's only been out this long in something as unlinear as this. There's bound to be a faster route. All props to Radix for trying and blowing all others out of the water, but he doesn't really have any competition to begin with. Everybody's too focused on low % to actually try (not that that's a bad thing, but still).

It seems much like Super Metroid. One time (1:08 by HotShot w/ 100%, this would be Radixs in my metaphor) stands for a while, then a new time comes in. 1:07 (by vincint). 1:08 is very good, but better has been done. In just a few months from that, the time is now reduced to 1:02 (!!!) by smokey, recorded on ZSNES 1.36 for all who doubt it and availible at his site. 1:01 has been reported by Evl through extensive use of savestates.

I'm not trying to belittle Radixs accomplishment, which is awesome and better than anything I could do atm (currently too focused on playing Super Metroid to do speed runs here :/ ), but I'm just saying...

Faster times than Radixs will be reported (and confirmed) sooner or later, thus making this bet pointless. Besides the fact that the reigning champion may not even know the bet's going on. Just call it off and do something else. You're wasting your time.

Noone will think any worse of you guys. Not me, at least. Just drop it. 'Tis better for all involved.

Make of this essay what you will. I'm just tired of this arguing.
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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:03:06 PM
yes, radix knows. There IS an irc channel for the prime stuff, you know, same as super.

yes, it will likely be beaten in time. His run is near-perfect with all the tricks currently known, don't even try to say it isn't until you see it. The route is one a lot of people have worked on, including Cal and kip. But more tricks may and probably will be found down the road.

The point is treize never is able to admit that he doesn't know jack about this game. Radix has assured that proof will be up by sunday, in the irc channel which you really ought to frequent if you want to keep up on things. Deskjockey has mentioned your name but none of us in the prime crew know you. A lot goes on prime-wise other than what's posted in this thread.

When radix gives proof treize will either have to admit how much nothing he knows about the game and that he has no right to be a constant thorn in the sides of the good speed runners and SBers here, or he'll finally be branded the coward and ass he is for as long as he chooses to remain on this board.

Many of us in the channel also are quite entertained by the bet, so don't go poo poo on it

At least this thread is getting activity. Remember how slow 4.0 was :P

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From: BlackMaurader | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:06:14 PM
Oh. You're actually getting entertained by this thing? Go for it then. :P

I so cannot judge sarcasm over the 'net...
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From: Kyuenjin | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:06:41 PM
Heh. Lose my Internet for a while, and 22% is completed while I'm gone. Can someone post where I can find a video of it being done?

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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:11:27 PM
Well no matter the time, I need conformation on these times. Any jackass can edit the picture or use action replay codes to get everything, dick around for an hour and then go against Prime.

That's not what I'm talking about, I want creditblity.

So I am still holding to my standards, I'll give you your presious minute. But you said he could do 1:36, or are you chickening out on your gloating now?

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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:17:24 PM
But you said he could do 1:36

No one ever said that. No one. You're just pulling things out of your ass at this point.
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From: N10sb2002 | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:17:30 PM
He said Radix could do 1:37.
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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:21:42 PM
The bet isn't what he CAN do. 1:35 is possible to do, less than that is possible probably, but that's not the bet

You came on here claiming bull**** at his claim of 1:38, now you have to back it up.

He did 1:38, and he's currently trying for 1:37, but he hasn't done it yet. That was the bet. 1:38 or 1:37 if he gets it, but if he doesn't 1:38 still works

This is the bet. That he can prove that he did the 1:38 (or 1:37, but that's not necessary).

You agreed. That's it. The run took him 3 months to do, and you are NOT going to expect that he do it all over again in 2 days for a better time and say that's 'nothing much to expect'.

Stand by your original words. Did he do 1:38 or didn't he? Was he telling the truth or did you expose a liar? Which is it treize, take your stand now. Do you chicken out and go back on what you previously said, or do you stand by your words?

The offer still stands. Admit you don't know anything about prime and are an ass, and leave this board forever, and you are freed of the bet. If your next response does not do precicely that, then I withdraw my offer and the original bet stands. And when proof is provided of 1:38 or 1:37, you will be obligated to account suicide. And when you back out of that bet, and I know you will, you will be exposed for what you are for all time.

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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:23:22 PM
Hey it's kyuenjin! Funny you should ask about the 22% tricks, nate is working on making videos of them as we speak.

A reliable geo core video has yet to be made. You probably already know about doing life grove and tunnel without boost, and vent shaft you definitely know about since it was your idea. Let's just hope Andrew doesn't swoop in with a vid of it first. Chop chop, nate!
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From: Kyuenjin | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:33:46 PM
Alright, cool. I must have spent the better part of a few months playing only MP trying to figure out Geothermal, and I couldn't figure it out. Needless to say, I'm seriously interested in seeing how it was done. :)

Anyway, now that Boost is gone, does anybody have an idea on what might be the next skippable item?

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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:41:14 PM
does anybody have an idea on what might be the next skippable item?

Most likely Space Jump, if anything. The secret worlders may have a way to get the morph ball without it increasing your percentage, but I don't think that will pan out like they expect it to.
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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:42:05 PM
Well I'd say "there won't be one" but every time I say that one happens :P

There's a few options. And as far as I can see they all involve secret worlds somehow or other >_>

Option 1: Space jump. Doing geocore without boost, space jump, spider, grapple or the like as far as I'm concerned will completely depend on getting outside the map and doing that 'float up the wall' thing the SWers do, around the celing and to the door for plasma beam, without ever worrying about the bomb slot

Option 2: X-ray visor. There may yet be a way to damage Prime 2 without the phazon suit. Tim did it once but he doesn't know how. Solr's on the job of figuring it out. Don't get your hopes up, likely nothing will come of it. But worth a good look anyways

Of course we still have the problem of newborn. Somehow you'd have to get newborn with no energy tanks or phazon suit :P That will only be done with a secret world if it's even possible at all, if you ask me. Somehow just float around the phazon and get right to newborn then back outside the map again, or something. Don't hold your breath for x-ray, folks

Option 3: Good ole morph ball. That's what the SW peeps have been working on all year. We'll have to wait for word from them on that.

So if you ask me, either secret worlds will come through on something or no, nothing else is getting skipped. But who's to say, maybe 5 years from now XD....

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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:52:12 PM
And by the way Treize, if you choose to ignore me and not respond, and radix posts his proof, that will also cause me to withdraw my offer, and the original bet WHICH YOU AGREED TO will stand, and you will lose it of course.

Your only chance at getting out of it is to take my offer, and fast. Admit you know nothing about prime, that you're an ass and while you're at it, you can admit you have no skill at games and that's why you get off on crapping on other people's accomplishments. Then say you will leave the board forever and then do just that. This is the offer, do it and be released from your bet with me. It's very kind of me to offer you this, it's a favor that I don't have to be doing. You should be thankful given radix's reputation as a legitimate speed runner.

Unless of course, you think radix was lying. Then by all means don't do that. But remember, any post by you (or no post) other than just what I said will make me withdraw my offer. Of course this is good if you really believe radix is a liar, because I will be shamed beyond remorse and will have to leave forever myself.

Decide now.

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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/7/2003 10:02:04 PM
I have no doubt you are a good player, but those that make you a good person? There is a difference between a good gamer and a loyal gamer. I unforunately have to go to something called a job and go out with people. You do not seemed to be hampered by that.

Enough aside, you can fail yourself and withdraw from this bet, or you can post inconclusive evadience that this speed run is legit. A single picture proves nothing. Unless you want to send me a memory card with a copy of the speed run...

The choice is yours sweety.

And don't you dare say that I know nothing of these games, I am loyal to Nintendo under a blood vow of Seppuku, don't lecture me on a being a good gamer. The idea is not the competition, it's the experence.

Beating the game without the morph ball, spacejump and other items? Heh, next thing, you'll be saying you can beat the game without missles...

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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/7/2003 10:07:07 PM
BTW I am calling your bluff and my rules still stand.

What's the matter? Expected me to not take the bait? Bailing out? Ahh... put your money where you're mouth is. I am, and if you are so confident in your friends ablities, than this is a no-lose senario for you. What's the matter? Got a 56k Modem? Can't get the data to me? Or was this all a bluff which you made up.

I respect all gamers who play Nintendo, but to play games to this level, is a form of boardom that you have prove that you can surpass the limits placed by the game. I was never that sort of person.

I might as well Action Replay the game and see if I can get under an hour... That would be fun wouldn't it? Or better yet, hack the game so I can control the time at will!

Maybe you should try to do that instead of finding ledges to jump on...

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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/7/2003 10:08:04 PM
I'm very good at all the sequence breaking tricks. I can get the Oculus jump on the first try, I can get all the dash jumps on the first try, I can even get the great tree hall dbj on the first try (sometimes.)

I need a speed run guide! I have a feeling that there are some flaws in my strategy. Could someone please supply me with an any % speed run guide, a new and up-to-date one?

My newest record for beating the entire game is 2:02. I'm certainly getting there. I just need a guide.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 11/7/2003 10:09:24 PM
Unless you want to send me a memory card with a copy of the speed run...

You mean, just like how I offered to send you a memory card proving otherwise when you insisted the game couldn't be finished in less than 6 hours with 100% or on hard mode -- and you wimped out with an "I'll have to think about it" plus some mumbling about cheat devices for GCN that weren't commercially available yet. :-D
From: Toozin | Posted: 11/7/2003 10:10:46 PM
and my rules still stand.

Are you not reading? Your rules are stupid.

Nobody claimed that Radix got 1:35, so why should he prove 1:35? You're disbelieving that he got 1:38, which is what is intended to be proven here. So when Radix posts his 1:38 run, we're right and you're wrong. Get it? 1:35 isn't even in this equasion.
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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/7/2003 10:14:56 PM
CtrlAltDestroy2: If you have IRC, connect to esper.net and join #metroid. If you don't, use the java client here: http://metroid.retrofaction.com/chat/irc.html

The speed demons in there will probably help you more than any guide could. Tim's guide is good, but I think it's a little out of date.
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From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/7/2003 10:22:21 PM
BlackMaurader, no problem.
Here is a video of the furnce getting up there to the top ledge. This was found by Radix, and it is little tricks like this that really save time. It probably saves about half a minute if the spiderball part was done perfectly..and for a speed run, half a minute is a lot.
I know it is a little dark, and again crappy sound :/ I am getting quicktime pro soon so hopefully my videos will be better quality and I will try to fix the colours so you could see it easier.
http://houseplant.tk/brian/furnace.wmv
I had already got the expansion before, but I stopped where it is. And the room is easier to see when you have spider before ice so the chozo ghosts are not there, but I wanted to show you the video. I will redo a lot of videos once I get quicktime pro and hopefully some will be on other sites..but most are what others have found.
From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/7/2003 10:37:22 PM
Very well treize, my offer is withdrawn. The bet stands, radix provides proof of 1:38 (or 1:37) and you suicide and leave forever, or he doesn't by the deadline and I do the same.

I know you'll chicken out. That when radix provides video proof of his entire run, that you will say "but I only agreed to 1:36 so I still win! hahaha" but that won't work.

Everyone here saw you say "you're on" to my original terms. 1:38 or 1:37. If he provides it and you suicide then you are a man of honor. If not, then you are not. I will stand by my words. If he doesn't provide proof of 1:38(7) then I will suicide. If he does then we'll see what you do, treize. We'll see if you live up to your end. Even though we already know you won't, because that's the kind of good person that you are.

You did agree to suicide if he provided proof of 1:38 or 1:37. You're not going to deny that you agreed to it, are you? It won't just be a picture. It'll be the full run, don't you worry. We'll see how you handle it.

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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/7/2003 11:02:06 PM
Gotta love fanta shokata

http://www.fanta.dk/showmovie.asp?mid=18F9E8DF-4D1A-43C2-9BFE-5A0B277BF453

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From: Cpt Izumi | Posted: 11/8/2003 1:17:07 AM
go radix go radix!
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From: kip | Posted: 11/8/2003 6:50:52 AM
uh kyuenjin, your find of getting stuck below the bomb slot was exactly how it was solved; just had to somehow get stuck a little higher so that the bomb slot would take you in. it was more than a lead in, it's the solution. so once again you were pivotal to the solving of a no boost room.

anyway, since 22%, a lot of people turned their attention to no space jump since it's so close already (just skipping it, not "21%"). if you want to help, i'm sure someone will explain everything about the current situation there; the obstacles in geo core and what is known. the situation is the same it's been for months, which is problems with getting plasma. none of the artifacts that need it are a problem i think, just can't get them since no plasma. can't do anything without it at this point.

i know you looked at the room with 21% in mind before, but i honestly think that no space jump should be proven first, before any room is tried for 21% without space jump (for several reasons).

i'm just saying it should probably be one thing at a time; i don't see how dropping space jump for 21% could happen before dropping space jump period. for example, i really need to know my strat for phazon core works before i think about 21%.

welcome back. =]
From: BlackMaurader | Posted: 11/8/2003 9:02:30 AM
The quality of your first vid was fine. I don't/can't expect these things to be perfect, seeing as how I can't capture videos at all myself. :/

I can barely see anything in your new vid though. All I can tell is that you somehow have to jump up from behind the big boiler-thing.

Still, I'll try it out.

BTW, what do you use to record? I'm getting a new VCR so I can make tapes, but I still don't know how to transfer video to computer for long-term storage.
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From: BlackMaurader | Posted: 11/8/2003 9:27:04 AM
Alright. I've found out that you have to get stuck in the cubbyhole in the wall and jump up from there.

Thank god I don't have to dash jump using a beetle over to the spider ball track. :)

Anyways, I've gotten soo close to the expansion already. :/

I jumped to the spider ball track to the upper-left of the platform, and from there turned left and space jumped up to the spider ball track that drops you on the platform. From there I can space jump to 1 inch away from the expansion...

I think I'll somehow have to emulate the track jump and get stuck on the track to get it. Regardless, getting this thing with spider will be quicker, I believe.
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From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/8/2003 12:06:26 PM
I made a new video of the furnace jump and it is easier to see in it. I also made a vid of getting up to the top, but you already found that. There is just nothing we can stand on..and when you morph you drop like a brick. If you can find a place to get stuck you might be able to just squeeze in.
http://houseplant.tk/brian/furnace.mp4
http://houseplant.tk/brian/furnace_test.mp4
you need quicktime to play these vids.
From: BlackMaurader | Posted: 11/8/2003 3:00:00 PM
Well, I'm thinking you could double-bomb-jump-ladder over to the expansion from the top spider ball track, much like the old early-space-jump method...

But there has to be a better way. One that won't cause broken controllers and uncontrollable rage.

I _did_ manage to get myself stuck on the track for a fraction of a second, however. Unfortunanly, even if I did stay on permenantly, it was too far down to morph and roll into the hole from.
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/8/2003 4:26:06 PM
Ah!!! HELP!!!! HELP!

I was doing a beautiful speed run. I'm almost done, I just need to get the last artifact in the control tower. However, There's frikin GLASS on the window in Research Lab Ather!!! WHAT DID I DO WRONG? Exept for one unrelated mistake, I did the entire speed run as normal. I did NOT get the thermal visor either!! What's going on?
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/8/2003 4:55:38 PM
iirc, kip said he believed it had to do with killing a particular pirate as you go through research core on the way to research lab aether, but he wasn't sure about that. radix says it's totally random. i bet you'll get it if you just keep trying.
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/8/2003 4:59:43 PM
I'm entering the room from the bottom, by the way. Research core, is that the room with the thermal visor? I'll go try it.
From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/8/2003 6:46:25 PM
I don't care about the time, I know you cannot do it. Withdrawing your offer is the thing you said you wouldn't do, so it makes it all the more interesting that you are doing it. When all I want is indisputable evedence that the task was completed. Whether it is in 1:30, 2 hours or 200 hours, I do not care. And do not think that I am going to use a cheap loophole such as "I said 1:36 minutes, so I win ha ha" This bet is so full of holes, It could win the next mister swiss cheese contest.

But I must digress to the point of what I said.

I'll finish this later...

You're right, the bet still stands, I'll take the time at 1:37 mintues. but not 1:38. I'm holding this to you.

As you said, the bet still goes on...

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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/8/2003 7:07:27 PM
??? That makes no sence. What good is Normal 100% 200:00?
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/8/2003 7:07:47 PM
Sense, sorry.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/8/2003 7:10:51 PM
*Rereads post*

Ohhh.... I get it now. That was kinda confusing.
From: kip | Posted: 11/8/2003 7:16:46 PM
sometimes when you enter research lab aether from the bottom, a pirate will break the glass as you're going up. sometimes it doesn't happen. it sucks but i don't know a way to get it consistently yet. but if you're doing any % speed run, the fastest route involves going through it that way.

i think that it has to do something with killing one (any?) of the pirates there too early, because as far as i can tell, a pirate really does break the glass and he can't do that if he's dead. killing one of his friends might make him attack you instead of going to break the glass too; it's just hard to tell.
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/8/2003 7:34:40 PM
ahhhh, that makes sense. thanks, kip. i should be back on irc shortly, just cleaning up the last of this issue with my computer(s).
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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/8/2003 7:40:14 PM
The only holes here are in your head, treize knight.

ME: The offer still stands. Admit you don't know anything about prime and are an ass, and leave this board forever, and you are freed of the bet. If your next response does not do precicely that, then I withdraw my offer and the original bet stands.

You then responded, and it wasn't what I said you should do, so I withdrew my offer.

The bet has no holes. You agreed that if he proved 1:38 or 1:37, that you would account suicide among other things. So if he does by tomorrow night, you have to. There's no holes in that.

Obviously you no longer believe that he was lying about 1:38, and you know he'll provide proof of it. So you're taking the gamble that he won't get 1:37, and pretending you never agreed to 1:38. Too bad, you did. If he provides proof of EITHER 1:38 or 1:37 you will lose. We'll see how you handle it.

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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/8/2003 7:44:39 PM
I think it's time for an update to the high scores. I made a little change. Instead of spot 1 through 3 and then two PAL spots, it's 1 through 5 with 4 and 5 being reserved for PAL. That way PAL can actually be in the top 3, but since it's unlikely pal can stay there with 3 good ntsc scores, 4 and 5 will still be pal. Feel free to call me an idiot for this change. Also the changes since the last posting of the list are in bold:

Metroid Prime High Scores

Normal any%
1. kip 1:23 (33%)
2. z0idi 1:33 (38%) <<<PAL>>>
3. Radix37 1:34 (38%)
4. Andrew Mills 1:49 (52%) <<<PAL>>>
5. <<<PAL>>>

Hard any%
1. Radix37 1:45 (33%)
2. Gold Leader 1:58 (31%)
3. Andrew Mills 2:35 (47%) <<<PAL>>>
4. <<<PAL>>>
5. <<<PAL>>>

Normal Low%
1. TreborSelbon 2:20 (22%)
2. TreborSelbon 1:45 (23%)
3. gamecubeman27 2:29 (23%)
4. Andrew Mills 3:39 (23%) <<<PAL>>>
5. JDAdams 7:54 (24%) <<<PAL>>>

Hard Low%
1. TreborSelbon 3:10 (23%)
2. kip 4:00 (24%)
3. Gold Leader 4:01 (26%)
4. <<<PAL>>>
5. <<<PAL>>>

Normal 100%
1. Radix37 1:37
2. njahnke 1:50
3. CAL Foolio 2:19
4. Andrew Mills 3:10 <<<PAL>>>
5. Madzombie 3:56 <<<PAL>>>

Hard 100%
1. Radix37 2:07
2. CAL Foolio 2:49
3. MetaRidley2 3:15
4. <<<PAL>>>
5. <<<PAL>>>

Frigate Escape Times (Time remaining)
1. kip 4:22.05
2. CAL Foolio 4:20.65
3. njahnke 4:17.20
4. Andrew Mills 4:11.78 <<<PAL>>>
5. <<<PAL>>>

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Metroid Prime record holder: Normal: 100% - 1:37 Hard: any% - 1:45 100% - 2:07
From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/8/2003 7:51:34 PM
You're right, the bet still stands, I'll take the time at 1:37 mintues. but not 1:38. I'm holding this to you.

As you said, the bet still goes on...

BWAHAHAHAHA

backfired treize. Documented here so you cannot delete your post or claim you didn't say that.

Alright, you will take 1:37 but not 1:38? Even though you DID agree to 1:38 originally, I'll be a sport. 1:37 it is. Good job getting that, radix

Now all he has to do is provide proof of the 1:37 and you lose the bet treize

Tell me, you do agree that if he provides proof of this 1:37 run, that you lose and must suicide as well as everything else in the original terms, don't you?

And don't dodge the question either. It's a yes (you are a man of honor) or no (you're a chicken weasel boy)

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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/8/2003 8:11:50 PM
Thanks a lot, kip. I did it.

But I did notice one strange thing. When I enter the room, I can hear a pirate die as I walk across the room to get the energy tank. When I go up to the window, There was a missle powerup just floating there for no reason.

My final time was 1:57, so I'm on my way.
From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 11/8/2003 8:38:44 PM
Has anyone tried to trigger the Meta Ridley fight without all the artifacts? Or rather, has anyone had any ideas on doing so? (Obviously this is a very, very, very long shot, but you've done pretty much everything else.) Perhaps if someone had some way of looking in the game source to see exactly what the trigger condition was...?
NOTE: I think OP/no x-ray attempts should start up again, at least for a short time. I mean, the rest of the game never has any condition like this one. Maybe, just maybe, there is a way of succeeding. I will be vicariously joining in your attempts to further sequence breaking ;)
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From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/8/2003 9:10:28 PM
Vicariously, eh? Get out and do some work yourself, you lazy ass :) Check the SW topic for a possibility, they're getting close to a SW in the gully, which could mean walking around in a SW-version of the Artifact Temple...

Radix, you're an idiot (j/k). The PAL slots should be completely separated from the NTSC slots, because they're almost like different games. They should be grouped together, PAL with PAL, NTSC with NTSC. Also, what's up with the bold?
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/8/2003 9:29:28 PM
"The PAL slots should be completely separated from the NTSC slots, because they're almost like different games"

I'd say only 1% of the two are different. If they were different games then nothing in the one would apply to the other. I think z0idi deservers 2nd place, so he's got it. The bold was just to show the changes, as I stated!
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/8/2003 9:54:03 PM
to accompany radix's announcement, let's have some low % fun with geo:

http://www.metroid2002.com/fun_with_geo_core.mp4

the above video should serve as an inspiration to anyone attempting the 22% solution to geothermal core.

enjoy!
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Nate
www.metroid2002.com
From: Amasawa | Posted: 11/8/2003 9:57:38 PM
^^
In my opinion, anyone who's ever struggled with a bit of sequence breaking that they were too addicted/determined/stubborn to give up on ought to get a kick out of that video. ^_^ Funny stuff!
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/8/2003 10:04:11 PM
I thought i'd post some stats just to show how off Trezie was when he said "but fighting all the bosses eats up to 30-40 mins". Here's how long I take to kill bosses in my 1:37: The time is from the end of the intro cutscene (which I always abort) until the start of the death cutscene, and subtracting any cutscenes in between.

Parasite Queen: 9 seconds
Incinerator Drone: 1 minute 14 seconds
Flaahgra: 1 minute 2 seconds
Sheegoths: 52 seconds
Thardus: 2 minutes 8 seconds
Phazon Elite: 19 seconds
Omega Pirate: 1 minute 7 seconds
Ridley: 2 minutes 9 seconds
Metroid Prime 1st form: 2 minutes 50 seconds
Metroid Prime 2nd form: 2 minutes 37 seconds
Total: 14 minutes 27 seconds

Leaving me 1 hour 23 minutes 30 seconds to do everything else. Plenty! :-)
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Metroid Prime record holder: Normal: 100% - 1:37 Hard: any% - 1:45 100% - 2:07
From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/8/2003 10:21:00 PM
Parasite Queen: 9 seconds
Incinerator Drone: 1 minute 14 seconds
Flaahgra: 1 minute 2 seconds
Sheegoths: 52 seconds
Thardus: 2 minutes 8 seconds
Phazon Elite: 19 seconds
Omega Pirate: 1 minute 7 seconds
Ridley: 2 minutes 9 seconds
Metroid Prime 1st form: 2 minutes 50 seconds
Metroid Prime 2nd form: 2 minutes 37 seconds

I am most interested in how these times were actually done, all the more reason to get the movie for it.

Perhaps I should have noted that it usually takes 20 to 40 minutes when you do not take advatage of Sequence Breaking or the rapid fire missle cheat. Seeing how you used that against the Parasite queen and just about every other boss that doesn't have a invulnrable point.

Although Meta Ridley only taking a little over 2 minutes, You must have lucked out during his ground attack phase in getting in those shots. And the Sheegoths, 52 seconds to take out the mother and her children? I'll have to check that one personally.

You also forgot the Hive Tome... although by quickest shots for you I'd expect it in 45 seconds...

24 hours to get my the video... Tick tock, Tick tock cowboy...

Also at the end of this fruitless little contest, I might as well give a revelation I've had at my time here. But that can wait for tommarow.

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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/8/2003 10:23:37 PM
What's a Hive Totem?
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/8/2003 10:26:11 PM
and who's tommarow?
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www.metroid2002.com
From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/8/2003 10:35:03 PM
What a surprise, Treize dodged the question

You just ignored the question like I knew you would.

you agreed to suicide (among other things) if he shows proof of 1:37. Will you weasel out or keep up your end?

I know you won't answer, and I know you won't hold up your end when you lose.

I can state what I agreed to. Listen and listen well:

If radix's full run is not posted by the deadline tomorrow night, I will suicide this account as per my bet with Treize. I will also denounce all the sequence breakers and proclaim treize as being forever correct and infinitely wiser in games than me when I do it.

I want a statement like this from you treize, to show you are still in this bet, to show me and everyone that you haven't chickened out. Say that if radix's 1:37 is posted, that you will suicide and admit stupidity and leave this board.

Go ahead unless you're afraid that it will be posted. Say it. Say you will suicide if 1:37 is posted by the deadline. I'm not afraid to say it, treize. But you dodged my question in my last post because you were scared. Let's see if you're man enough to answer it this time. Will you do it?

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From: Amasawa | Posted: 11/8/2003 10:47:43 PM
I would like to see Treize Knight say this as well, strictly for the sake of amusement. I doubt that it will happen though. I expect him to make snide remarks via more lame Agent Smith and Hannibal Lector imitations, or complain when his aol mail sever can't handle hundreds of megabytes of video so that he'll have to *gasp* exert a modicum of EFFORT to follow a link to download the vids from a WEB SITE.

It doesn't really matter to me either way though. By tomorrow, everyone will have access to Radix's well-documented video proof, proving once again that Treize Knight knows exactly two things about MP speed runs: Jack, and ****. (and Jack left town...)
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/8/2003 10:57:56 PM
Ahh yes, the Hive totem. Haven't seen that thing in ages.

And the Rapid-fire missle CHEAT? It's not a cheat! It's a perfectly usable LOGIC ERROR by the programmers.

Baby Sheegoths are easy to kill quickly. 1 Charged shot + 1 normal shot in the back will kill a baby; If you've got about 25 missles you can kill the mother quickly too with rapid fire missles.
From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 11/8/2003 11:01:53 PM
Very big congrats to Radix, Nate, z0idi, and anyone else who got a good time...especially Radix.

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http://metroid.retrofaction.com
From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/8/2003 11:15:21 PM
Forgive me posting this again, but treize has shown a pattern of only responding to things most recently posted, and a post that he has to actually SCROLL UP or that's not on his LAST PAGE seems to be totally unreadable to him, so I'm going to paste this again so his lazy self won't have to scroll up for it. Maybe you guys could hold down the posting a bit for me so he can actually see this.

Ahem

What a surprise, Treize dodged the question

You just ignored the question like I knew you would.

you agreed to suicide (among other things) if he shows proof of 1:37. Will you weasel out or keep up your end?

I know you won't answer, and I know you won't hold up your end when you lose.

I can state what I agreed to. Listen and listen well:

If radix's full run is not posted by the deadline tomorrow night, I will suicide this account as per my bet with Treize. I will also denounce all the sequence breakers and proclaim treize as being forever correct and infinitely wiser in games than me when I do it.

I want a statement like this from you treize, to show you are still in this bet, to show me and everyone that you haven't chickened out. Say that if radix's 1:37 is posted, that you will suicide and admit stupidity and leave this board.

Go ahead unless you're afraid that it will be posted. Say it. Say you will suicide if 1:37 is posted by the deadline. I'm not afraid to say it, treize. But you dodged my question in my last post because you were scared. Let's see if you're man enough to answer it this time. Will you do it?

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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/9/2003 12:53:12 AM
You didn't think that I'd do it?

What? I think I already agreed to these terms to Fourm Banishment and denouce my standings on what you said and living a life in shame and suffering which will surly make me want to commit suicide in the real world. What more could you ask? *roll eyes*

Of course you seem awfully confident that you'd win. I can't wait to see te film you made and I am going to have to reveiw it.

Don't forget, all the cut scenes and sound must be left in the film. (Might make it a whole lot longer, but I intend to be sure that it is legit)

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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/9/2003 12:57:25 AM
Oy, trezie, suiciding your account means you LOSE YOUR ACCOUNT.

You post a lot of swearing and illegal links to porn sites and warez sites, preferably something insulting to lots of people (in this case you'd probably be insulting yourself) and the result of this is that the moderators delete your account. you have to make a good show of it so it makes the mods CLOSE YOUR ACCOUNT. Not just give you some paultry karma loss. It has to be really hugely offensive, violating as much of the TOS as a single post can. Preferably something amusing for everyone. You could not be Treize Knight anymore.

That's what I agreed to do if the video was not posted, and that's what it meant when you agreed to suicide as well.

Oy.

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From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 11/9/2003 1:01:08 AM
Asking for the cutscenes is just rediculous. If you would doubt the validity of a run because he skipped the cutscenes, you're just looking for an excuse to get out of this whole mess.

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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/9/2003 1:41:21 AM
[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]
From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/9/2003 12:14:59 PM
I just like to use Euphemisms, is it that wrong?

Besides, I want everything to make sure that the game is valid and there would be no way that there was in game editing. (I'll time out the cutscenes to allow for the correct time) The sound is there too as a way to prove that nothing was tampered with. In the case that the music studders or something. It also has to be a countinous run as well as mentioned.

Terbor, I stated this in the begining of the deal as well so it is not an alteration.

And also for the 6:00 in hard mode, I stated then it was impossible to do it without Sequence Breaking.

Just to make it clear for everyone, the deal was this.

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time must be at most 1:37 minutes, and 100% items collected.

Deadline is at 9:00 PM EST tonight

Video must be e-mailed to me by 11:00 PM EST tonight

All cutscenes and sound must be included

Loser of the bet must repent for their stupidity with their life here at this forum area
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Just for a little gasser, I might as well leave this bit on a high note. You people know how to play the game inside and out but what do you really know about the game? I'll be posting a quiz at the moment the deadline passes. You'll have 10 minutes to fill it out after I post it. (Reason being, you'd just refer to the game for all the answer you naughty players... ;p )

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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/9/2003 12:38:11 PM
"Video must be e-mailed to me by 11:00 PM EST tonight"

You're dreaming. It will be on a web page for ALL to download.
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Metroid Prime record holder: Normal: 100% - 1:37 Hard: any% - 1:45 100% - 2:07
From: Amasawa | Posted: 11/9/2003 12:51:27 PM
And also for the 6:00 in hard mode, I stated then it was impossible to do it without Sequence Breaking

You may be able to fool people who weren't around to see your "Metroid Prime claims de-bunked" topic, but I remember very well what you said, and it most definitely did NOT say anything about sequence breaking. You didn't even know what sequence breaking WAS at that time, for crissake.

I'm pretty sure I don't have your post or your emails to me archived, but you'd better believe that if I ever find them, I'll post them here so everyone can see exactly what YOU wrote with their own eyes.
From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 11/9/2003 2:27:48 PM
From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/6/2003 5:08:36 PM | Message Detail
Well Shere Khan, I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I was wrong before about some of the tactics employed, but if this deal is to take place, I want to see the ENTIRE video of it. Although it is fruitless since the video could easily be edited, unless I time it and make sure all the items were collected.

Some choice, but if you can prove it with video footage and I can personally confirm it and that all items were collected and no tampering was commited. I'll gladly commit sucide at this forum and repent for the "stupidy" I commited.

You're on.

I don't see you saying anywhere in this post that cutscenes are needed in the vid. Besides the fact that asking for the cutscenes are ludicrous as they have absolutely nothing to do with tampering the game, you agreed to his original terms before mentioning the cutscenes.

I'm looking forward to that suicide later tonight. :)
From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/9/2003 2:29:37 PM
I believe that in Vegas, this is what as known as "a lock".
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/9/2003 2:39:46 PM
Here's a pic:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze4pmvd/mp100percent137.jpg
Yeah yeah it proves nothing ... sure :-)

Vids within hours...
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From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/9/2003 2:54:56 PM
Okay, I'm back...

I've finally got my 100% route hammered out, and I'm in the process of giving it a good run-through (not perfect, a slip-up here or there is alright, and not taking the very quickest way through a room) to see at about what time it can be finished. If it comes close to 2 hours, I'll probably post it and give it a REAL run-through. If the time is too high, I guess I'll just scrap the route... =(

I'm currently saved at 39 minutes with I think 30%. I'm about to pick up the Plasma Beam... then the real item-picking will begin! I can tell you're all just shaking with anticipation ;)

In the meantime, here're some tricks I've found.
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From what I understand, people have a lot of trouble with Nate's method of getting the missile in Crossway. Well, I've found another way. It takes 5-10 extra seconds, but it is frighteningly consistent... and I would gladly trade those seconds for my sanity. ;)

Anyway, here it is:

1. Get up on the rafters. You should all know how.
2. Jump along the rafters until you reach the last one, the one by the missile.
3. Morph and charge up a boost (umm... if you have it).
4. Roll off the rafter, straight towards the missile.
5. When you are past the little part of the wall that sticks out, release the boost.

What should happen is this: the boost will get you into the crack just far enough that you touch the missile. You will grab it and plummet straight to the ground. And best of all, it is EASY TO DO. I did it 3 times in a row without even thinking.
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Ever been in the Hall of the Elders and gotten frustrated with all that bopping around to get past the blue shield on your first pass through the room? I know I have! Here's how to avoid it all.

1. Go in and kill the ghost. This is necessary, as it unlocks the door behind the shield.
2. Get up on the ledge that has the 3 bomb slots and walk to the very end of it. The end I'm talking about is the one that drops off right by the missile refiller.
3. There is a pillar right by the end of the ledge. Stand between the pillar and the edge.
4. Morph and do a wall-triple-bomb-jump up to the niche, where you can roll straight to the door. Deactivate the shield if you want.

Magical! If you get the bomb jump on your first try, it saves a good 15 seconds.

If either of these things are known, I'm sorry for the long-winded post. If they aren't known, then I expect LOTS of kudos =D
From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/9/2003 2:57:00 PM
Whoa... I am in awe of the picture...

*worships Radix*
From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/9/2003 4:16:21 PM
Alright, but then you have to get it up by the first time, not the second. Also I will say this, keep the movie the program movie player, I don't do windows...

Don't think I don't have a trump card to play...

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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/9/2003 4:28:00 PM
Don't think I don't have a trump card to play...

Oh, I have no doubt that you'll do everything possible to back down from your word and weasel your way out of this. But that will forever mark you as a liar and a coward. Just so you know.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/9/2003 4:28:57 PM
Let me guess...

Your computer is so outdated you can't watch divx encoded movies?
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From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/9/2003 4:33:50 PM
Wow, treize, you can pull stuff out of your ass faster than anyone I know.

You know that you can account suicide just by closing your account, right? Although I agree it would be amusing to see treize suicide by getting modded for making ridiculously anti-TOS posts...
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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/9/2003 5:01:28 PM
I agreed to account suicide the old fashioned way, i.e. death by excessive TOS violation, if I lose. I'm sure treize would not agree to less.

Treize, don't worry, the videos are not edited in any way. Some cutscenes are ended early by pressing start, but since you know so much about the game, I'm sure you know that you CAN end some cutscenes early by pressing start.

You lose if the video is real and radix did indeed collect all the items and beat the game in an hour and thirty seven minutes of game time. The videos are in segments from save point to save point, recorded straight through.

If you can show the video is fake, and I know you will try your damndest to do it, then you will have a case.

But saying "He got out of a cutscene by pressing start!!!! omg FAKE" is NOT evidence that the video was tampered with. It can be done in-game. You were so sure that he didn't even DO his claim of 1:37, the video he provides with getting out early of some cutscenes will be his run. You'll need to show that he did NOT get all 100 items and beat the game in the 1:37 of game time.

Remember, your whole claim is that 100% in 1:37 can't be done without cheating. You'll need to show he cheated. Pressing start to escape a cutscene is not cheating, but I'm sure you knew that, you big metroid guru you. I'm just making sure everyone's clear on it. If a cutscene were EDITED out, you'd have a case. But none of the videos were edited. Straight un-cut recording from save point to save point, all the way through.

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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/9/2003 5:07:17 PM
Oh, and one more thing to be clear on

Radix used sequence breaking, of course

I'm sure even treize would not be enough of a lame-ass to say "SEQUENCE BREAKING IS CHEATING!!! I win!" and for his sake, I sincerely hope his trump card is not that.

Treize claimed bull**** at radix's run and accused him of using an AR. Exploiting in-game glitches, i.e. sequence breaking, does of course need to be done for anything like 1:37 100%. But it was done fully and without a cheating device.

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From: BlackMaurader | Posted: 11/9/2003 5:08:59 PM
You also forgot the Hive Tome... although by quickest shots for you I'd expect it in 45 seconds...

I won't comment on anything else, because I haven't played through Ridley recently enough to say anything, but the Hive Totem is _so_ easily skippable by a space jump it aint funny. Fighting it wastes time. I'm sure Radix skipped it.
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From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/9/2003 5:17:49 PM
LeCourer,

It will save some time if you do it that way, but you still need to activate the bomb slot for the next time you are in the room. Now you can activate it before the fight though..so yeah afterwards you can do it.

Would be great if all doors was not locked eh?

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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/9/2003 5:39:34 PM
BlackMaurader | Posted: 11/9/2003 2:08:59 PM |

"I won't comment on anything else, because I haven't played through Ridley recently enough to say anything, but the Hive Totem is _so_ easily skippable by a space jump it aint funny. Fighting it wastes time. I'm sure Radix skipped it."

If he skipped it, then I win... You need something from there.

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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/9/2003 5:43:33 PM
You truely are an idiot Trezie.
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Metroid Prime record holder: Normal: 100% - 1:37 Hard: any% - 1:45 100% - 2:07
From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/9/2003 5:46:12 PM
Hey newb, not sure if you know this but, there's a back entrance to the hive mecha room. Radix just collected the missile expansion later in the run without even having to waste time on the boss.
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From: BlackMaurader | Posted: 11/9/2003 6:01:35 PM
Oh come on Treize.

You can l-lock space jump from the ledges below and to the left of the circular platform to the platform the hive mecha is on. As long as you don't head over the bridge, the fight will never occur, and you can continue on in peace w/o seeing the Hive Mecha go online.
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From: rios always | Posted: 11/9/2003 6:05:38 PM
hi guys,im new here,and i would like to know what this topic is about.it sounds interesting.
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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/9/2003 6:17:44 PM
Attention Treize Knight: PROOF PROVIDED

http://planetquake.com/sda/mp/

Here are all 15 segments of radix's run, from save point to save point.

And with this, you are a loser. UNLESS of course, you can find that he cheated somehow (sequence breaking don't count).

And I know you will try your best to find some cheating in those vids, but there is none

On broadband you should get them in under an hour one would hope.

I will give you a reasonable amount of time to look them over treize. You can have the rest of today as well as tomorrow. You could look the run over 10 times and more by then.

But by the end of tomorrow I want to see your suicide, proclaiming that you know a whole lot of NOTHING about Metroid Prime, that you are a bad game player, and that you were an ass to us and that you were WRONG treize. I want to hear that 1:37 is possible. Then I want you to violate the TOS as much as you can, in a proper suicide. Then never come back.

We'll see if you weasel out, or if you are a man of honor. If you do it then many of us will actually have respect for you. If you do not then we'll all know what you are.

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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/9/2003 6:24:35 PM
hello rios. This topic is for the sequence breaking and speed running of metroid prime mostly.

sequence breaking being finding and using little quirks of the game to get things before we're supposed to, or to skip 'required' items altogether

speed running speaks for itself :P

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/9/2003 6:34:02 PM
rios always :

Welcome! This topic has been around since about January, and is used as a forum for discussing time saving techniques for speed running, as well as finding and using methods of completing the game in practically any order, as well as completely skipping some items.

I ask that before you attempt any of these tricks, that you complete the game at least once so that you know what a fantastic and enjoyable game Metroid Prime is. After that, go nuts! Sequence Breaking and Speed Running are great ways to extend your replay with Metroid Prime, and many of us have had more fun doing them than completing the game the first time around.

For further Sequence Breaking information, head on over to http://metroid.retrofaction.com/games/mp/sequence_break/

As for speed running, i ask that you check out Radix's new recorded run, (don't watch it until after you've beaten the game, for it contains Spoilers Galore)

I hope you find this aspect of the game as exciting and invigorating as we do, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask! We also have a metroid IRC channel on esper.net, in channel #metroid

Good Luck, Young Hunter, for you have much to learn ;)
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/9/2003 8:54:54 PM
Sorry, but I told you I needed Movie Player, Dixv doesn't work, and if it did, the user interface I am using doesn't allow upgrades off the Internet at the moment (Trying to keep those few small bugs that effect Macs at bay)

But as a way to show my respect for your work, even though I cannot see it, I still will banish myself from this forum. Or as you like to say commit suicide. If you had half the brain I thought you did, I'd think you'd had forced me to state that I'd commit suicide throughout the entire GameFAQs forum area. Not just the Metroid Prime forum, which I will agree to and bar myself from as of next Thursday.

Besides that, I could say you were disqualified because the uses of save points and not having a continuous run. What say about this before? Sound might work, but all you have to do is sneak in through another spot.

But I won't hold that against you. As you feel the bittersweet victory still in your mouth, I might as well make this more sporting. As I mentioned before I was going to make a nice Metroid Prime Test.

If you manage to get every single one of my questions right in the allotted time. I will commit Account Suicide either by deleting my account, or by going out in a better fashion with TOS violations

I won't ask for anything of you more than I am at least acknowledged as one of the wiser Metroid Prime players. If you lose that is. Remember, Strength always serve wisdom.

Oh yes, I forgot to say this.

***
"You were right, I was wrong, it is possible to when using sequence breaking to get a time of 1:37 in Metroid prime, I underestimated the resilience of a gamer who takes so much time of their life to accomplish a goal they focus on"
***

Yes, I know I am an evil bastard, but if you get yourself into a mess, you always have to know an escape route. Rationalize all you want, but I still maintain my honor. Ta-ta sweetie.... But Shere Khan, you should realize that it was brought apone yourself that you could have trapped me here and now and forced me into closing my account, though you didn't shut off all my escapes. Hell, you mentioned some that I didn't even think of. On a final little lesson, remeber this, even Chivalry has no honor when looked at from the correct persective...

*Blows a kiss to Shere Khan and using a back door to finish writing test while wisteling the Andy Griffen Theme*

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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/9/2003 9:02:42 PM
"I could say you were disqualified because the uses of save points and not having a continuous run. "

Like anyone would do the whole game without saving. That's why they put savepoints into the game dummy! Almost all saves take 10 or more seconds to use, so each save adds to your time, but of course optimizing a 5 minute section is much easier than a 10+ minute section.

And my final thought: Trezie feels the need to tell people they're playing the game the "wrong" way and can't stand it when everyone disagrees with him.

And DivX works on windows, mac or linux so you have no excuse for not actually watching them.
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/9/2003 9:11:03 PM
Help, I admited I was wrong, but to say that I know nothing of metroid prime and am a bad gamer, is not even compairing to what I said. I just said some things were impossible, you proved me wrong.

Besides the idea of me even considering account sucide is as silly as this picture. And knowing some of you people, you're building a belt for me just like what the doll's wearing

http://www.theculture.net/barbie/index.html

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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/9/2003 9:12:42 PM
What a surprise, treize weaseled out

Proof was provided and you agreed to suicide. Suicideing does mean all of gamefaqs. Once your account is closed, it is closed everywhere on gamefaqs.

No you have no honor, treize. You aren't using a clever escape route. You area chicken. A flat out chicken. Proof was posted and you were proven wrong. You agreed to suicide if radix proved that he did 1:37 and he has.

And how you chicked out. Let me refresh your memory.

ME: If Radix provides proof within the next few days of his claim of 1:38 100% (or 1:37 if he manages to redo the last segments well enough to get that) you will account suicide your Treize Knight account

YOU: You're on.

That's all the conditions were. He did it, so now you lose and must suicide.

You won't, we know it. We always knew you'd back out. But now everyone sees that you backed out. You added terms later but those don't matter. You agreed to MY terms. That's what "you're on" means. It means you agreed to the terms I proposed

And now you're going back on your word. That's all there is to it.

From this day forward, let everyone who sees Treize Knight anywhere remind him of this incident, and how he is a liar to be shunned and ridiculed. For he is a liar who agreed to suicide and then did not.

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From: Amasawa | Posted: 11/9/2003 9:19:29 PM
Someone'd better stick a fork in Treize Knight --

-- he's done. >:-)
From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/9/2003 9:37:49 PM
And don't think I'm going to take your little quiz either.

Trieze, you have been owned so thoroughly in this topic these past few days so many times I can't even begin to describe how stupid you look

And the fact that you don't even realize how many people are laughing at you right now makes you look just that much stupider

People are laughing you know. No one thinks you're clever or cool. Every time you open your mouth you prove just what a bafoon you are.

You conveniently ignore posts which prove you wrong then come in with statements of "You forgot hive mecha ;)" and think you found something clever

You don't know ANYTHING about this game. You didn't know that you NEVER have to fight hive mecha in a 100% game, you don't know any advanced or even average tricks.

You have been owned very thoroughly, treize. We all have been making fun of you behind your back ever since you started this idiocy. And you couldn't even realize that. You have proven that you can't read and understand english, that you can't live by your word, and that you don't know enough to EVER call another person's run uull****.

Some of us decided that if you kept your word and suicided, that we would have some repsect for you. That we would have been wrong about the kind of person you are

But all you did was prove we were right. You are a cowardly little weasel half-a-man who says a lot but can't do a damned thing. And you aren't even good at saying a lot, because what you say just makes you look worse every time you post.

Let's see if you can at least keep your word about never coming to this forum again. Though I'm sure you're too much of a baby to do even that.

I laugh at you trieze. We all do.

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From: Amasawa | Posted: 11/9/2003 9:45:44 PM
:-O

I was mistaken. NOW he's done! :-D
From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 11/9/2003 9:49:26 PM
Hmm... I think he's a little overcooked.
From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/9/2003 10:22:47 PM
I might be down, but I am certainly not out, You're arrogance vexes me that you do don't even, one. I agreed to the terms I set, not yours, I didn't make any deal to your agreement, I just stated that you wanted a fight, and you got one.

Of course you're mad I found a way out. Well I gave you a way to stamp me out once and for all, let's see if you can use it...

I'll post my quiz on monday at 6:00 PM EST, you'll have 15 minutes to complete it. If you answer all the questions correctly I will terminate my account at Game FAQs

Is that enough for you?

I might be well done, but I am not burnt to a crisp just yet.

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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/9/2003 10:31:27 PM
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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/9/2003 10:35:07 PM
You're a fool trieze. You did agree to my terms. "You're on" means you agree, does it not?

If you had more terms to make, you should have said it then. It doesn't count if you agree, THEN change the terms.

You're a liar. That's it. You didn't cleverly "find" a way out of your end of the bargain. You just backed out. That's not clever. Lying isn't clever, treize. Neither is stupidity.

No one is taking your quiz. You wouldn't suicide even if we did. You agreed to suicide if radix posted his 1:37, and now that he has all you're saying is that you never agreed to it, even though everyone saw you do it. You obviously don't even know what suicide means even though we've told you several times already. Obviously you just can't read english. You also can't speak it.

You said you'd leave this forum. Obviously you lied about that too.

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/9/2003 10:35:22 PM
You're arrogance vexes me that you do don't even, one.

I took a class in "Idiot" back in high school, so I may be able to translate this:

You are arrogance. [It] Vexes me that you do don't even. One.

No wait, that's not right...

You are arrogant, vexes me that you don't even, one.

That's not right either...

Your arrogance vexes me [so much] that you don't deserve even one [of my posts to make any sense what so ever].

Ah! There we have it. Glad to be of assistance.
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From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 11/9/2003 10:42:52 PM
Uh oh. The oven's on fire now.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 11/9/2003 11:03:52 PM
That was great Banks. :-D It was a helpful way to get a better look at the full perspective of his thought processes (or lack thereof).

So, when's the part coming where Treize posts that this has all taken place because of an account-stealing little brother, or a 1337 h4x0r that 1337ly h4x0r3d his account to ruin his reputation? I mean, this is entertaining and all, watching Treize make a fool of himself, but he could stand to jazz it up a little.
From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/9/2003 11:04:25 PM
Ha ha, treize is such an honorless loser.

You didn't find a way out, what happened was that you didn't follow through with your terms of the bet.

What little respect I had for you before is now completely gone.
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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/9/2003 11:21:30 PM
Trieze, you are a dumbass. That's all I can say about this. Pure dumbass.
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/10/2003 12:50:17 AM
I didn't agree to your terms. I just agreed to your deal. I figured out a way out of your little plan, and that's that. Be a good sport and just wait for the time being.

PA*

Test will be postponed another 24 hours from the orignal time, thank you.

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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/10/2003 12:59:22 AM
See, that's what makes you a cowardly liar as well as an incompetant bafoon.

I stated the terms of my proposal in the original post. You said "you're on" and that means you agreed to them.

The fact that you apparently don't even KNOW that you agreed to it with your words, makes you the incompetant bafoon

The fact that you're trying to get out if it by denying it makes you a cowardly liar.

You obviously didn't understand what you were agreeing to when you said "you're on", which makes it all the more rediculous that you agreed.

Deny it all you want, the post is there.

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From: Amasawa | Posted: 11/10/2003 1:00:16 AM
Aha, NOW I finally understand --

-- treize is Bill Clinton in disguise. :D

He smoked pot, but he didn't inhale.

He did NOT have sexual relations with Monica, but he did have a relationship that was inappropriate

...and now, he did NOT agree to Shere Kahn's terms, he just agreed to his deal.

Bravo Billie. Keep those fallacious arguments coming to sink your ratings in the polls!
From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/10/2003 1:03:19 AM
And I'm looking forward to seeing what kinds of idiotic questions you'll come up with. Something like "how many steps from one end of magmoor to the other" no doubt.

I don't know why you're even bothering. We know more about the game than you do. Are you going to deny it? Are you going to try and make us look stupid by researching obscure questions (which you obviously CAN'T ANSWER off the top of your head, otherwise you wouldn't need TWO DAYS to put the questions together) and then laughing when we can't answer in 15 minutes?

Hmph, maybe we should come up with some questions and give YOU fifteen minutes to answer them, see how much you know about the game, smart guy.
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From: rios always | Posted: 11/10/2003 6:56:06 AM
thanks for the explanation,shere khan;)
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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/10/2003 2:45:16 PM
Trieze, you just don't understand. You think you're being all clever by pulling stuff out of your ass, but you're just being an idiot. You didn't just loose the game, Trieze, you're not even playing the same game anymore. We're over here playing poker, waiting for you to throw down your chips and show us your cards, while you're in the corner throwing dice by yourself, winning only because no one else is playing with you. You're didn't outsmart anyone. You're just an idiot for not knowing that poker and craps aren't the same.

No one's going to take your quiz. No one thinks you're smart. You lost. Pay up.
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From: CrimsonMatrix | Posted: 11/10/2003 6:06:14 PM
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From: CrimsonMatrix | Posted: 11/10/2003 6:40:46 PM
Oh wait! I have an idea... Ok Mr. High and mighty Knight. Why don't you join our game. You want credibility, you want respect, honor? Well here's a chalenge. Beat us at our own game. You may use any FAQ's you want, or look at radix's run but I want you to either A: Get a time on the WR board in any category except Frigate Escape time. Or door number 2; Complete a 23% run. Sound like fun? Well guess what, you do that, then tell us that Radix's time is bs. Here's the thing, this is what this is all about. You've tried to make us forget the burning question. With proof right here, on the board, do you still disbelieve this time. And I don't think you can say that unless you've done either one of those things. Not on this board at least.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/10/2003 6:41:50 PM
I have a question about the Any % speed run sequence. I know that the standard sequence after you get the Ice beam is to bomb jump over the bars in Great tree hall, go to Phazon mines, Get the power bomb, then get the Plasma beam, then the Artifact in the Chozo Ice temple, then the Xray visor, then Phazon Elite, then Omega Pirate, then Artifact of Newborn, then the 2 artifacts at Phendrana's Edge, then back to your ship.

Well I was trying to think of a new method. Whould this work? The sequence is the exact same until after you get the ice beam. Then you do this.

-Take the elevator down to Tallon Overworld, go to Root cave and take the elevator to Magmoor
-Get the Plasma beam
-Go to Phendrana's edge and get Power bomb expansion and the artifact
-Go to control tower and get the artifact there
-Instead of going back the way you came, fight the pirates in the Control Tower room so you can leave out the other way
-Continue through the research labs (Maybe even dash jump to the Super Missle while you're at it) and come out at Ruined Cortyard/Phendrana Shorelines
-Get the artifact in the Ice Temple, go down to Magmoor (Get the Ice spreader if you want), then up to Tallon Overworld, then back to Chozo Ruins via the Ice door at the crash site
-Go to Great Tree hall, Get the Xray visor, THEN dbj over the bars and go to the Mines
-Fight the Phazon Elite, get the main powerbomb, Fight the Omega pirate, Get the artifact of Newborn, then head back to your ship with no second thought.
-Fight Ridley and Prime

That way, you might get the SUPER MISSLE which could very well make up for itself during the OP battle, the Ridley battle or the 1st Prime Battle. Also you only need to make one trip to the Mines, and a very liner trip at that. Well, would it work?
From: CrimsonMatrix | Posted: 11/10/2003 6:46:34 PM
Oh and P.S., Nice geo core vid Nate. Reminds me of my first to games where I tried to get to SJ first.
From: Toozin | Posted: 11/10/2003 6:49:31 PM
Or door number 2; Complete a 23% run.

Lowest percentage is now 22%.
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/10/2003 6:56:42 PM
"Fight the Phazon Elite, get the main powerbomb"

Sorry can't be done, you need the main powerbomb to fight the phazon elite.
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From: BlackMaurader | Posted: 11/10/2003 6:58:49 PM
In my one pure speed run that's further than Flaahgra, I went and got the plasma after ice, than took the elevator up to behind Thardus and circled through Phendrana, grabbing the grav, power bomb expansion, three artifacts, supers... not thermal, to allow for a chance of getting through the glass in in the research lab from the back. Then heading to Phazon Mines, getting the x-ray, then bombing over the gate (that's where I got stuck - i was trying for a halfway-decent time. it takes me at least 20 minutes to get over it. :/ ).
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/10/2003 7:05:29 PM
"Sorry can't be done, you need the main powerbomb to fight the phazon elite."

Really? That stinks.

Maybe, instead of going through the research labs in phendrana, Grab the artifacts and then come back to the workstation, get in the back door to the Phazon mines, get the power bombs, then head back to the chozo ice temple to get the artifact.

ohh but now it's getting kinda complicated. It was worth a shot though
From: Pogo708 | Posted: 11/10/2003 7:10:53 PM
Actually, I think that'd work- He got the Phendrana PB with the Plasma Beam....
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From: Darkash | Posted: 11/10/2003 7:26:26 PM
It's a game glitch, the Phazon Elite battle for the Artifact can ONLY be triggered by having the main powerbomb upgrade, the single ones won't trigger it for some reason. Several weeks were spent to try to find a way around this, or to open the casing without getting the upgrade. No way was found.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/10/2003 7:32:48 PM
If there were some way to get from the Central Dynamo back to the Main Quarry w/o spider ball, that would be freakingishly awesome. But I think there are those big shafts with the bombus, making it impossible. That would be one heck of a speed run; come in the mines from the back way, get the pbomb, then go and fight the phazon elite, go out and get the xray visor without doing the great tree hall dbj.
From: Darkash | Posted: 11/10/2003 7:44:50 PM
How about the Phazon Processing Center trick? Dosen't that go around those shafts? I'm not sure, I haven't played that part of the Mines in a while.
From: Darkash | Posted: 11/10/2003 7:57:45 PM
Wait, scratch that. That woulden't work, would it?
From: Pogo708 | Posted: 11/10/2003 10:53:53 PM
I have read this entire topic, and I officially declare Treize Knight PWNED!

....I'm sorry, I just had to say that.......
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/11/2003 2:58:26 AM
mhq and m2k2 are now one:

http://www.metroid2002.com/

feedback?
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From: kip | Posted: 11/11/2003 4:10:18 AM
^

check out my any % speed run. it's a comedy compared to radix's (but i've always thought 100% in general was more impressive to begin with). =P

i really need to do another and improve on it or something, damn. anyone else besides radix wanna try to beat it?
From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 11/11/2003 4:30:35 AM
Kip | I really need to do another and improve on it or something, damn. anyone else besides radix wanna try to beat it?

I'm seriously tempted to give it a shot on my US and PAL version of MP. Seeing as I have learn't enough new tricks to make it worth a shot. ;)

But I might have to wait until I get a bit more of Samus.co.uk done first...

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From: CrimsonMatrix | Posted: 11/11/2003 6:19:37 AM
I said 23% just to give the poor guy a chance. Geo core is evil enough without that damn slot.
From: kip | Posted: 11/11/2003 7:19:12 AM
ugh... this is why i hate doing speed runs months apart. can't even get an acceptable intro, i'm getting like 4:17 escape and visible mistakes before parasite queen. and the intro is one of the easiest segments too i think.
From: speedBOB | Posted: 11/11/2003 8:40:04 AM
I've never posted in this thread before but....

Radix37: http://spong.com/ is giving you Props!
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/11/2003 10:11:24 AM
indeed. radix, "props!" ;)

and kip, is it not uncommon to spend several days on the first segment alone? i say give yourself a break, you haven't had competition like radix since the days of the Wang Dynasty.

also, if you want to avoid capturing, etc, just send me the tape(s) of your next run and i'll MPEG-4 them for the site. that way we avoid making people download two different video systems if at all possible.

i should be on irc sometime tonight (even though i probably shouldn't) to talk about the site.
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From: Ralgar | Posted: 11/11/2003 11:10:06 AM
Remarkable! Way to go Radix!
From: Gameboy2003 | Posted: 11/11/2003 6:39:53 PM
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From: dilbert627 | Posted: 11/11/2003 7:15:38 PM
How do you do that rapid-fire missile trick that Radix did in his video? I assume it has something to do with switching between normal and missile modes, but I couldn't figure it out, and I don't remember seeing it posted anywhere.
From: kip | Posted: 11/11/2003 7:23:12 PM
hit Y to fire a missile, then A quickly after, then repeat. it only works with the power beam because the others have a long delay you can't get rid of after firing a missile.
From: dilbert627 | Posted: 11/11/2003 9:46:45 PM
Oh, so that's what I was missing. I was trying it with the plasma beam. Thanks kip.
From: Pogo708 | Posted: 11/12/2003 10:59:50 AM
Hey, I need some help in the Sun Tower. I've been trying for so long to bomb jump back up there, but I just cannot do it. I have Andrew's video of it and everything. Any tips?
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From: Zanapher | Posted: 11/12/2003 12:07:47 PM
What part is the problem ?
If it's the bomb jumps timing then the best thing is to watch the video over and over again to get the correct timing (it's very different from a normal bomb jump but it's supposed to be easier since it's slower).
Also remember to push the direction towards the angle to "stick" to the wall.

And the last part is the hardest: the unmorph. The problem is that it won't work if you go too high (so don't think that it'll be easier if you go higher). There's a specific "correct height" so stop dropping bombs when you're about the height of the video.

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From: Pogo708 | Posted: 11/12/2003 12:44:42 PM
Yeah, it's the bomb jumping. I can bomb jump perfectly in SM, but I just can't manage to get it in this. I'll try more when I get home... Any more tips would help too. Thanks.
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From: madmax777 | Posted: 11/12/2003 3:50:30 PM
Yeah, that part can be tricky.

When I first tried it I was in no rush at doing a sequence breaking game so I took my time. My opinion is to go on your 100% file or the highest one you have and keep going until youve mastered it. When I did I was only failing about once in every 5 times I tried. It then took me 2 tries in my sequence breaking game and I did it. Practise makes perfect :P
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/12/2003 5:15:21 PM
My opinion is to go on your 100% file or the highest one you have and keep going until youve mastered it.

this is a very good idea. also check out http://www.metroid2002.com/without_spider_artifact_of_wild.html

you'll need quicktime (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/) to view that.
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From: BennyKill | Posted: 11/12/2003 7:09:25 PM
YES!!! I've gotten 100% in 3.28 seconds! watch my video:

http://www.bullsh*t.com/bennykill/faking_it.html

But really....
my fastest/highest percentage is 89% in 17:37... that's pretty goood huh?
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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/12/2003 7:40:39 PM
*is very happy*
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From: SmAcKyThEpEnGuIn | Posted: 11/12/2003 8:22:44 PM
Hi, everyone.

I'm new here and I'd just like to say: WOW. You guys are insane!

Anyway, I've been trying out some of this sequence breaking stuff, and I'm currently at the first Save Point in Magmoor Caverns (the one right after Flaagrah). I just got the Wave Beam and Boost Ball and I did the Space Jump First trick as well, so I have that. My time is 0:41. I know it's nothing compared to you guys, but is it any good?

BTW, I have the NTSC version.

Also, can somebody post the best speed route since all of these new tricks? I'd really appreciate this.

Thanks in advance.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/12/2003 8:41:05 PM
If you're having any problem with the suntower jump, It's not really that hard IMO. I always get it first try nowadays.

-Roll into a ball at the top of the suntower
-Fall! into the groove, hold your stick NORTHWEST
-Sit on the oculus until it reaches the top
-Bomb your way up
-Pass up the ledge by about 1.5 morph ball heights.
-When the last bomb hits, jam your stick RIGHT.
-Unmorph in mid air, and while you're unmorphing, rotate your stick from the RIGHT position to the NORTH position.

Should make a perfect unmorph.

BTW, my newest time is 1:47! I think I'm catching up. If only I had 2 memory cards...
From: Pogo708 | Posted: 11/12/2003 8:58:06 PM
My opinion is to go on your 100% file or the highest one you have and keep going until youve mastered it.

That's a really good idea... I'll try that.
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From: N10sb2002 | Posted: 11/13/2003 5:31:49 PM
Okay, I was just in #metroid and I got an idea for Geothermal Core without SJ:
I'll go there more than once before grapple so I can try to dash off one of those puddle spores (which disappear after grapple, activate the platforms, get to the cursed slot, then get grapple and get the beam.

What do you think? Though it obviously wouldn't work for 21%.
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From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/13/2003 5:48:06 PM
Anyway, I've been trying out some of this sequence breaking stuff, and I'm currently at the first Save Point in Magmoor Caverns (the one right after Flaagrah). I just got the Wave Beam and Boost Ball and I did the Space Jump First trick as well, so I have that. My time is 0:41. I know it's nothing compared to you guys, but is it any good?

SmAcKyThEpEnGuIn,

It is not bad..but right now you should not be worried so much about your time, but more about being able to figure out your route, being able to consistantly doing some of the sequence breaking techniques and figuring out optimal ways of defeating bosses as fast as posible. When you want to do a real run, you will basically keep doing the segment (save point to save point) untill you are happy with the time.

Also, can somebody post the best speed route since all of these new tricks? I'd really appreciate this.

Best route is different for each person...ok, I mean most of the order of items is the same, and some tricks can be used in the best one, but it really depends on what you are strong at. What I mean is, if you cannot do the double bomb jump over the bars in great tree hall (so you can get to the mines fast), then there is no point going that route and you should find another path.

I personally think going to the mines that soon is a lot of back tracking, but getting grapple makes life easier. You can do everything without grapple, but when you do not need to worry about doing the tough jump, it makes the segment easier.

Here is a rough route of what Radix did (I will list the order that he gets items as well as I can remember)

Space Jump
Missile expansion
Morph ball
Charge shot
Morph ball bombs
Varia Suit
Artifact of Wild (1/12)
E. tank (1/14) - on route to phendrana
Boost Ball
Wave beam
Artifact of Nature (2/12)
E. tank (2/14) - behind hive mecha
Missile launcher (heh though he already has missiles)
E. tank (3/14) - main plaza
E. tank (4/14) - furnace
ice beam
grapple beam
power bomb expansion (from Central Dynamo) (4/8)
E. tank (5/14) (magmoor workstation)
Plasma beam
Spiderball
Super missiles
E. tank (6/14) (Aether)
Artifact of Elder (3/12)
Thermal Visor
Artifact of Spirit (4/12)
PB expansion (5/8)
Gravity Suit
E. tank (7/14) -Frozen Pike Access
E. tank (8/14) -Ruined Courtyard
PB expansion (6/8)
Artifact of Sun (5/12)
Artifact of Strength (6/12)
PB expansion (7/8)
Ice spreader
Wavebuster
Artifact of Life giver (7/12)
PB expansion (8/8)
E. tank (9/14) - magma pool (where the chozo's are)
E. tank (10/14) - furnace
Artifact of ??? (in hall of elders) (8/12)
E. tank (11/14) - frigate
E. tank (12/14) - frigate
X-ray
Artifact of ??? (in life grove) (9/12)
Flamethrower
Artifact of Warrior (10/12)
E. tank (13/14) - vent shaft
Artifact of Newborn (11/12)
Phazon Suit and Phazon Beam
E. tank (14/14) - after OP
Artifact of Truth

I did all this off the top of my head so no missile expansions ;p, but I am sorry if anything is not correct.
From: the last metroid | Posted: 11/13/2003 8:58:20 PM
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/13/2003 9:19:02 PM
n10: sj is required for geo without boost.

last metroid: you can set the number of messages per page quite high in your preferences to avoid flipping through so many pages.
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From: the last metroid | Posted: 11/13/2003 9:42:37 PM
Re-postage: Yeah, The Last Metroid's back into 'Prime. Not that anyone really cares or anything... but yeah...

I'd be on #Metroid a lot more if my mIRC wasn't super stupid and logged me off every five minutes; but such is life, I guess. So yeah, I'm supremely kicking ass in this current normal/any run -- on track for around a 1:40, which is a personal best. DAMN that DBJ frigate skipage rocks.

Err, but yeah, congrats on the 1:37/100% Radix. Super pwnage maximus. Now I'm off to read this topic's 75 or so pages.
From: Gray Fox 9996 | Posted: 11/15/2003 3:15:25 PM
I can't believe how long it's been since I've been here; last time I was here, I was about to start a speed run, but then of course my friend borrows my copy of MP for months...and now that I'm too busy to play he gives it back...oh well.

I doubt anyone here remembers me, but seeing so many familiar people is cool ^_^...where the hell is SkedarHunter?! That guy's Observatory technique saved my Thermal Glitched save! I need to thank him again!

And even more unbelievable is that Geo was solved! That's amazing! I know I contributed very little, but all that work on Life Grove I did will finally pay off! Muahaha!
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*ahem*

Alright, well I got to thinking about the secret world involvement in sequence breaking, and how they're trying to skip the morph ball...what about the Varia? There must be some way secret worlds can be exploited to get a few more E-Tanks and make it through Magmoor alive without it. Of course, it would all be pointless for 21%, since we still need to fight Flaahgra to get the Artifact, but the fact that skipping Varia might be possible with another E-Tank or 2 seems interesting (since, even though we can't get the artifact through the front way, going in the back way with spider ball would still skip Flaahgra...another way to get 22%! I know I'd probably prefer to have Spider over Varia if it was possible).

Hey the last metroid! I remember you! Doubtful you remember me, but oh well. Welcome back!
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/15/2003 3:20:10 PM
wb gray fox, i was in the same boat with you and the thermal glitch. techniques discovered to handle that situation have come in handy in speed runs; check out mine on metroid 2002 (not as impressive as radix's but i deviate from the route he took in some places).
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From: CaTaStRoPhE0079 | Posted: 11/15/2003 6:05:48 PM
Treize Knight = PWNED
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From: Gameboy2003 | Posted: 11/15/2003 6:23:10 PM
Treize Knight still hasn't suicided! Why that little.......
*Is really mad*>_<
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From: kip | Posted: 11/15/2003 10:00:27 PM
hey gray fox. =]

i feel similar about sw. it's not hard to imagine being able to, say, get ice before flaahgra with sw, but guess it can't be done yet. it would change a bit: free 4th tank from hall of elders, and able to enter the frigate from either side.

whether or not anything could be done in the frigate is the question. you wouldn't have boost or grav yet, so if you enter through the back, how do you navigate through hydro to get the tank there? there are no methods yet, but the potential to get 2 extra tanks is there, and i think there would be no question about magmoor with 6 tanks (5 is probably enough too).

and there's the small chance it'd be possible with 4, and none of that frigate stuff would be necessary.
From: Gray Fox 9996 | Posted: 11/16/2003 1:40:54 AM
Yeah, I think it really could be made with 4...didn't someone (Sess? you? CAL?) make it to the tunnel just before the Phendrana elevator (room name escapes me at the moment...been too long since I played, argh)? Has anyone tried the run recently with 3 and received any results comparable? I think Varia is a much more achievable goal right now than NSJ or NMB (btw, speaking of the NMB run, has Andrew or someone else tested if the morph ball bomb will give the morph ball power? just to make sure that all their testing with the Burn Dome won't be for nothing), we just need a few more seconds. I think the E-Tank in Training Chamber (with Destroyer F's Main Plaza SW and eyegore21's Training Chamber SW) may be a possibility, but it looks doubtful (of course, so did Geo without boost, and before that, spider, and look what happened there).

Oh, and a correction from my last post, obviously a No Varia game wouldn't be 22%, as you need more E-Tanks, my bad XD.
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From: Gray Fox 9996 | Posted: 11/16/2003 1:43:21 AM
Sorry for the double post, but when I asked if Andrew had tested it, I meant with AR.
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From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/16/2003 1:49:02 AM
Are we positive beyond a shadow of a doubt that a Varia-less Magmoor is out of our reach with the current methods?

SWs definitely have potential, but we need to find SWs near that area first...and that's unlikely to happen soon, if at all. Right now SWs are so scarce that SWers only check out likely rooms, not rooms that are likely to have applications.

Update somewhat soon.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/16/2003 1:52:41 AM
Yeah, I think it really could be made with 4...didn't someone (Sess? you? CAL?) make it to the tunnel just before the Phendrana elevator

Actually I believe it was montypylon who claimed that he made it to the door, but the game froze so he was unable to continue. I'm pretty sure he was lying about it though.
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From: kip | Posted: 11/16/2003 5:17:38 AM
yeah... he's the only one i can remember who said they made it through (some others claimed to make it to transport tunnel A many months ago, but that's very different). he offered no strat, vid, or anything. plus, the game simply doesn't freeze on that elevator. sure there's a first time for everything, but this is also montypylon so it's pretty convenient.

if we just use the "no vid = liar" logic, he loses again. every time vids were brought up about something he did, he gave the same reason for not being able to record and it had something to do with him being "only 15" i think.

most of us in this topic have been able to record for a long time. personally, i knew i was going to need to be able to make vids eventually, in order to help prove room solvings and things like that, and i'm probably not the only one who got their stuff for that reason. it's common sense, and capture cards aren't expensive.

if he can't record, fine, but at least try to give a strat then. it's giving an excuse for not making vids on top of everything else that was the problem, and i think the main reason no one really trusted him.

anyone agree/disagree?
From: gamecubeman27 | Posted: 11/16/2003 8:22:23 AM
yeah... he's the only one i can remember who said they made it through (some others claimed to make it to transport tunnel A many months ago, but that's very different). he offered no strat, vid, or anything. plus, the game simply doesn't freeze on that elevator. sure there's a first time for everything, but this is also montypylon so it's pretty convenient.

the wu2002 (i think it was) said he made it and would provide us pics. when his mom got home w/ her digital camera. this happened when AR came out.
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From: gamecubeman27 | Posted: 11/16/2003 8:23:43 AM
oh yeah, *agrees w/ kip*
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From: kip | Posted: 11/16/2003 8:30:51 AM
oh yeah, i forgot about him... well it was hard to even take him seriously.
From: Gray Fox 9996 | Posted: 11/16/2003 2:28:56 PM
Oh no, not montypylon...I remember him. He just continually avoided the question after he mentioned that he made it. I don't remember The Wu2002 saying anything about making it, although I remember his name from some other boards. One thing I do remember was someone like CAL or Sess or kip making it to Transport Tunnel A (thanks for the name ^_^)...I'm sure they could make it all the way to the elevator with just another E-Tank. Even then, as I mentioned before, has anybody tried the run recently? Haven't new techniques been discovered since the last time we tried it?

Videogaming, I think you missed what I meant. I meant applying the current secret worlds and the curent methods to maybe pick up another E-Tank, making the run through Magmoor easier. I still think Training Room is a possible E-Tank, especially since it has a cutscene inside that could bring us back in after picking it up. It would take a lot of effort and a lot of testing, but what, in all of this sequence breaking, hasn't? I'll definitely be back in on this now that all these new things are sprouting up (and maybe I'll check out a 22% run on the side, who knows ^_^), once I can find time in this damned school schedule I set myself up for (looking at next weekend as a possible game weekend, and then of course there's Thanksgiving).
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From: kip | Posted: 11/16/2003 3:06:42 PM
"Even then, as I mentioned before, has anybody tried the run recently?"

sorry, didn't mean to ignore that.

as far as i know it hasn't been tried in a long time. a couple relatively new things have been found like a faster way through monitor station that is used in speed runs (can be seen in radix's run and all runs on nate's site). but in the overall picture these things are pretty minor: too much energy is still lost by the time you reach monitor station. most of that is because of fiery shores which is incredibly long.

i think most people just don't feel it's doable the "conventional" way with 3 tanks. there could always be a sw or some other unorthodox way lurking out there that doesn't require energy loss, but right now all we have is this.

all the little speed run tricks in the world probably won't do it without more energy, but who knows what would happen if someone tried. i heard it was possible to get an ultra energy in one of the rooms, but there is no proof.
From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/16/2003 3:20:10 PM
The Wu... oh man, that guy was funny as hell.

Anyway, concerning Training Chamber:

I believe I have a method of getting in, but it might just be impossible to get the energy tank AND get back out... here's the deal.

1. From the Main Plaza, enter Piston Tunnel. You know how to do this, right? Okay.
2. Go back to Main Plaza. Because of the way the game loads rooms and whatnot, Piston Tunnel WILL STAY LOADED.
3. Using the same way that you would enter the secret world, walk on top of the walls over to the entrance of Piston Tunnel.
4. Jump out into space so that you get stuck up there (i.e., can only walk around, can't jump, morph and you fall...)
5. "Walk" over to the entrance of Training Chamber and morph so that you fall and land ON the little morph ball tunnel. You'll find that the door is closed.

That's all I've got. If there is a way to get the tunnel's door open from the secret world, then Training Chamber would load, and I'm pretty sure that the Ghost cinema would place you IN the room. Of course, for that No-Morphball effort, isn't there a tunnel-door that has to open? How did they get that?

From there, I don't think there's a way to get the tank OR get back out... but who knows? Does this sound solid, or what?
From: Gray Fox 9996 | Posted: 11/16/2003 4:16:56 PM
LeCoureur103: The morph ball door opening problem is what those over in the SW topic are having trouble with in the Burndome right now. So if one of our groups can solve this little dilemma we might be able to get to the Burndome without the morph ball, and the Training Chamber early. Your idea seems really good (actually most of what I was thinking, although I don't have time to test it), and I think we'd be on to something if we could work out that morph ball door.

kip: Yeah, I noticed that faster Monitor Station trick...and also noticed how much health it would suck out. It would save a lot of time, though, so maybe I'd give it a go when I get a chance. I was also thinking dash jumps could be implemented in fiery shores, to speed that section up.

I was thinking about it, and started to wonder which path would be faster to get to the Monitor Station: the Tallon Overworld elevator or the Chozo Ruins elevator? I know there's the section with the blocks that need to be bombed on the way from the Chozo Ruins, but there's also a save point right there to get a good starting point from. Any tips?
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From: MetaRidley2 | Posted: 11/16/2003 4:32:52 PM
_< i found out how you can Double Bomb Jump higher then a normal DBJ.. maybe higher then a TBJ.. i'll say after someone cares...

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From: Gray Fox 9996 | Posted: 11/16/2003 4:35:06 PM
O.o?! *cares* How would that work?
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/16/2003 5:37:45 PM
i'm going to try no varia a lot today just so i can get an idea of exactly how much health we need to do it.
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From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 11/16/2003 5:46:25 PM
Hi all,

With regards to all these SW applications:

At the moment, there's no SW in the training chamber as of yet. Well, only one person has "made it out", so it still remains unconfirmed. I can get stuck in the invisible wall at the top, but not quite make it out...

If we can devise a definitive solution to opening Burndome w/o morphball (i.e. closing the morphball tunnel door at Energy Core) then grabbing the E-Tank in Training chamber MIGHT be a possibility from SW9 (Main Plaza).

Certainly, I'll get back onto the NMB case tomorrow after work with my AR2. And I like the idea of using SW's to get E-Tanks earlier for a no-varia run...

Mind you, I can't - yet - confirm whether or not even being in a Magmoor SW (of which there hasn't been any found) without the Varia will cause no damage as the lava can STILL damage you when under a room that has it in it (tested with the Varia suit with an AR2 in Monitor Station a while ago).

Comments and suggestions on SW ideas and how they can be used are welcome in the SW discussion topic as well as here. =)

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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/16/2003 5:47:01 PM
i found out how you can Double Bomb Jump higher then a normal DBJ.. maybe higher then a TBJ.. i'll say after someone cares...

Just like you found a way through Magmoor without Varia, eh Ridley?
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From: Gray Fox 9996 | Posted: 11/16/2003 7:10:45 PM
Andrew: In regards to the possible SW in Training Chamber, are you testing that on NTSC or PAL? Since that seems to make a difference (like in SW7), you may want to double-check both, just to be sure.

I'll be getting to work on using SW9 to access the Training Chamber as soon as I can finish up all this work I have lying around (I don't exactly know how good I am with Secret Worlds, but I'll take a crack at it ^_^;).

NOTE TO NJAHNKE (or any others who might be trying the NV Magmoor run): See if you can make it to Transport Tunnel A; if we can make it there in 3 tanks, we could use the other E-Tank inside to refill health, and possibly make it all the way through; if not, and you can only come close, then that tank could be a safeguard in case we start to run low with 4
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/16/2003 7:36:35 PM
gray fox: i'm afraid getting the tank would be substantially slower than getting into the elevator room, so i can't justify stopping for it.

what's the current maximum percent before flaahgra? i have 25 right now and i'm wondering if i missed anything.
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From: Gray Fox 9996 | Posted: 11/16/2003 7:53:03 PM
njahnke: Wait, it would be slower picking up the tank? I must be thinking the elevator is further away than that...I really need to start playing again, lol. It makes perfect sense; the double bomb jump would take forever in comparison to just rushing through. Sorry, I wasn't thinking. Oh, and I believe kip confirmed that 25% was the max before Flaahgra, although it might be more (I've been out of the loop for a while).

I'm almost done with my work for the night, so I'll be on to Metroid Prime within a few hours.
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From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 11/16/2003 9:50:05 PM
Transport Tunnel A leads directly to the elevator room.
From: MetaRidley2 | Posted: 11/16/2003 9:52:21 PM
ok.. here what u do is lay a bomb just as Flaahgra lands on the ground you will bomb hella high as soon as u go to fall lay another bomb an you will bomb alittle higher... =/

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From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/16/2003 10:03:08 PM
27% is the highest before Flaahgra, as far as I know. I challenged people to get more in my topic "The Pre-Flaahgra Challenge!"... but only like 3 people responded <glares> Njahnke, have you gotten the Artifact of Nature from Magmoor? It's entirely possible... when I got it, I had 1 health left. Also, did you get the missile in Watery Hall? You can ghetto jump through the poison and get that one. Ooh, ooh! Did you dash jump up Root Cave and get the one up there? It's pre-Flaahgra madness!

Also, when I mentioned getting out of the Training Chamber, I meant by using the halfpipe to blow up the exit. I didn't realize there is a secret world in there... that could work.
From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/16/2003 10:11:40 PM
Oh yes... I almost forgot. About a week ago, I mentioned that I was giving my 100% speed route a rough run-through. Well, I'm done.

Saved in the crater with 100% at 2:05, and I actually beat it in 2:14. Mind you, this run was extremely sloppy. It was nowhere near the level Radix would've been playing at, let me tell you... probably a 5 minute Omega Pirate fight, lots of slip-ups, and I realize now that there was a way to clear out a certain area a LOT quicker than how I did. With all this in mind, I think I'm gonna go for a true speed run. I'd like to beat njahnke's 1:50, which I believe is wholly possible.

I've got a document typed up that gives the order of all 100 items, as well as some info on certain sequence breaks when necessary. Just ask, and I'll post it or send it to you.
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/16/2003 10:35:19 PM
LeCoureur103: wow that's actually 3rd place on the 100% list :-) I'd like to see your route if it's different from mine...
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From: kip | Posted: 11/17/2003 12:28:23 AM
yeah, don't know how to get higher than 27% (well there is the fiery shores missile but i always die right before i get back to the elevator).
From: Gray Fox 9996 | Posted: 11/17/2003 9:00:02 PM
Yeah, still haven't played, I'll make sure to get to it by the weekend though.

(In case you didn't notice, this is a not-so-well-hidden bump)
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From: kip | Posted: 11/18/2003 7:14:29 AM
radix, reading your part2 commentary i see the gathering hall save is only about 9 seconds... which once again makes me want to save there. considering i'd just be saving at mqb later anyway which is one of the most costly saves in the game, i have to wonder if all the suffering of chozo is worth another 9 seconds when the run is doomed to be "imperfect" from the start by taking mqb.

but then again the time of the mqb and gathering hall saves together comes to about 35 seconds unless my calculation is wrong... with the mistakes i'd inevitably make, i'd probably have zero chance of getting the lowest possible minute on the route.

i think to get the lowest minute for any %, someone would have to skip both gathering hall and mqb saves. what do you think?

what i'm thinking of turning this run into is a "quick" (by comparison to cutting out gh/mqb) run to see what kind of time can be gotten now by implementing all the new stuff found since my last run. then after that it would be much easier to tell what would have to be done to take it down another minute besides cutting saves.
From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/19/2003 6:37:29 PM
This topic could use a major bump, so looks like it's time for...

More Pearls of Wisdom from LeCoureur103

Concerning Dash Jumps

Everyone hates dash jumps, right? There are those special few which, it seems, no one can EVER get. Luckily, in the course of my experimentations, I have discovered something to make dash jumps much easier and more consistent.

Now, physics and common sense would tell you that the best time to activate your second jump would be at the HEIGHT of your first jump, right? WRONG! Actually, I have found that it helps tremendously if you activate the second jump only a few split-seconds after the first jump. I don't know why it works, but it does.

Give it a try. Head to the Observatory (unactivated) and do the dash jump while tapping the jump button in rapid succession. You should shoot right up to that ledge, actually making it up higher than you would if you waited until the height of the first jump. Or check out the Root Cave jump, using the Zoomer. Bam! Easy jump. Afraid of my fabulous Gravity Chamber dash? No more!

It's simple, and it works!

Of the Monitor Station

The Monitor Station, your first time through, is murder. All of those turrets just repeatedly pound you into submission while you're trying to jump up that damned pillar to the shelter of Phendrana. Magic man that I am, I have found another way.

Now, I assume that you're coming via the Chozo Ruins transport (Burning Trail, Triclops Pit, etc.). I assume this because it just makes the most sense.

Okay... you've just entered Monitor Station and you're facing the big central structure. When you step out from the tunnel-thingie, go right around the corner. There is a pile of fragmented rocks that goes up the wall, and your goal is to make a huge ghetto jump to the top of it. When done, you're pretty high up.

Turn left. The wall is now to your right, the structure is to your left, and the entrance to Phendrana is about at a 45 degree angle to your left. From here, it's pretty easy. Simply hop along the ledge that you're on towards the corner of the room. When you get there, turn left and jump up to a higher ledge. From there, it's a simple space jump over to the bridge that connects to the ball tunnel. Success!

Not only is it about a second quicker than the up-the-pillar method, but it takes away most of the risk from the stupid turrets. No thanks necessary... well, okay. A few wouldn't hurt ;)
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/19/2003 6:57:34 PM
Nice find but there is a problem with it. The bridge is not extended when you first enter the room so you cannot make that jump to the bridge so you have to go all the way around to the artifact of strength door then jump across (which is easy). Because of that you will have to spend at least 5-10 seconds longer that way then the other method (which mind you is a lot harder..I gues I just do not have the feel for it yet cause I hardly get it).

Now, one thing you could try though is get to that ledge and dash over to the bridge that leads to phendrana or something.

It still needs to be worked on, but you might be on the right path going up instead of over the lava. I also need a game that I am there with the turrets still there to test it out better :)

The dash method you mentioned is known, but I guess it is more of a technique that the sb know without really describing it when we describ techniques. Problem is with dashing is every dash is pretty different. Now, if you find most dashes easier using the method you find, then great.

But yeah, jumping before the height of the jump is known because if you think about how the dash works, it accelerates you in one direction so if you jump before you start to slow down you will still carry that speed..where as if you jumped later you will not make it as far (also usually you will be starting to go upwards, so if you jump then, you will continue to jump up)

Keep up the searching though. You can always join us on irc if you think you have found something or have ideas for something. (esper.net #metroid)
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From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/19/2003 7:03:10 PM
Wait... the bridge isn't extended? The one that connects the morphball tunnel to the central structure? Err... I honestly don't remember that. What activates it normally? (Even if it isn't extended, I still think you can space jump to the ledge anyway.)
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/19/2003 7:09:47 PM
Turn left. The wall is now to your right, the structure is to your left, and the entrance to Phendrana is about at a 45 degree angle to your left. From here, it's pretty easy. Simply hop along the ledge that you're on towards the corner of the room. When you get there, turn left and jump up to a higher ledge. From there, it's a simple space jump over to the bridge that connects to the ball tunnel. Success!

ah I think I read it incorrectly the first time. Cause how you describ it..it sounds like you jump to the ledge that goes all the way around to the artifact door, then you jump to the bridge with the ball slot (you said ball tunnel, but got confused)

but after seeing that did not work, I decided to try jumping against the wall and yes, that way is quite easy.

Sorry for misunderstanding..but I think you missed out that once you ghetton on the first ledge. To make a jump forward, then you are against the wall (you are in the corner) and that the struture is at 45 degrees..not so much the phendrana door). From there you just simply jump to the next ledge then down to the door with a nice sj.

Ok nice fine (even though I ended up finding it myself, since that is what you originally meant...well heh)

I will make a vid of it to compare to radix's run. My problem right now is I do not have a save with the turrets there, so right now it is easy.
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From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/19/2003 7:13:27 PM
Excellent...

</Mr. Burns>
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/19/2003 7:26:22 PM
Yes, the bridge is not extended. Did you mean that way originally? Cause that is what I thought you said before cause it sounded as if once you get to the last ledge, jumping to the bridge is easy cause you know where to go from there.

Even if that was the way you originally meant, you did get me thinking in that right area to try

here is a vid for you. If this is what you meant then great :) if not then hope you enjoy:

http://houseplant.tk/brian/monitor_Station.mp4

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From: pilantra | Posted: 11/19/2003 11:53:48 PM
i would like to get some tips in how to do the wallcrawling tricky if this is not a MP secret society tip......
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/20/2003 12:11:09 AM
Pilantra, you refering to what I do at the beginning of the vid (after I unmorph)? Just hold L while you are pressing against the wall when you jump.

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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/21/2003 12:03:01 AM
I just did something fairly odd... I got the Furnace Missile expansion without power bombs. Is this new? Should I be excited?

If it's new, our pre-flaahgra score raises by 1%.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/21/2003 12:04:25 AM
Wait- no. Scratch that. You still need the spider ball.

But anyway, is this a new sequence break?
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/21/2003 12:59:39 AM
Somebody hasn't watched my run...
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/21/2003 8:41:43 AM
Has a 56k Modem<<<
From: funkytoad | Posted: 11/21/2003 10:23:34 AM
Well, I had nothing to do yesterday, so I bought a tub of Rolo ice cream, and watched Radix' run...I must say, VERY impressive! Well done Radix :)
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/21/2003 11:22:24 AM
isn't it, though. ;)

ctrl: many people on 56k have downloaded his entire run.
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/21/2003 12:15:37 PM
Has Content advisor (No "Save As") and a 2hr time limit per day<<<
From: N10sb2002 | Posted: 11/21/2003 12:17:41 PM
^ What exactly is "Content advisor"?
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/21/2003 1:43:25 PM
it sounds like it should advise ctrl that radix's run is a must-watch. ;)
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/21/2003 1:46:53 PM
Basically all it does is disable the "save as" option in your right-click menu. If there were some other way to
download it, I would. But it'll still probably take
hours and hours to download a single part. :(
From: N10sb2002 | Posted: 11/21/2003 6:13:53 PM
^
| Use Mozilla. Or BitTorrent.
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From: N10sb2002 | Posted: 11/21/2003 6:19:22 PM
Videogaming:
Back a few pages, you said this about Radix's update:
"Radix, you're an idiot (j/k). The PAL slots should be completely separated from the NTSC slots, because they're almost like different games. They should be grouped together, PAL with PAL, NTSC with NTSC. Also, what's up with the bold?"

I liked it better. The bold is for new records, if you don't want to group them together than do it like this

PAL any% records:
1. SuchandSuch123: x:xx
2. FakeoNameo: x:xx
3. MisterPublishko: x:xx
4. PoopProof123 x:xx
5. BadTimes2000 xxxxxxxx:xx

Separate them completely.
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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/21/2003 6:22:39 PM
A PAL time beat an NTSC time. That's proof enough for me that they should stay grouped together.
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From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/21/2003 8:30:54 PM
A PAL time beat an NTSC time because we're a bunch of lazy asses who don't bother to try for a high score. What do you think PAL could get on Normal 100% if someone applied themselves like radix? Not anywhere near 1:37, I can tell you that. PAL has serious disadvantages, and merits separation.

I prefer a list of 5, grouped separately. Grouping PAL in between NTSC understates the PAL achievement, IMO. And separating them completely in separate lists wouldn't work because there's simply not enough PAL participation. Heck, they've only FILLED 6 blank spots out of 14 possible, some newb could come and take the hard 100% with a time of 20:34 or somthing...
From: DoomdayX | Posted: 11/21/2003 9:40:29 PM
yeah, if any of you have pal and have some absurdly slow time, just post it up!!! i think it would be humorous if the #1 time in an area were 20:23 or somthing ridiculous like that!!!
From: N10sb2002 | Posted: 11/21/2003 10:03:38 PM
What I meant was "Seperate them if you don't like them grouped together.". I would have contradicted myself otherwise.
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From: N10sb2002 | Posted: 11/21/2003 10:04:57 PM
My post didn't come out right.
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/22/2003 1:05:52 AM
i am for separating them.
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From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/22/2003 1:31:38 AM
Separating them my way? Let's take a poll...

Do you want the updates:

A) Videogaming's way
B) Radix's way
C) N10sb2000's (sp?) way
D) Another way?
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/22/2003 1:35:04 AM
Actually I have to change my opinion on my way... I had set it to a top 5 with 4 and 5 only for PAL... but it should be a simple top 5 with two of the slots as PAL. So in the case of normal any % right now the pal slots would be 2 and 5, with 4 being cal's 1:39. Assuming three good ntsc times then pal are always 4 and 5... but until that happens it won't be true. Most of my 100% route works in pal, the only real problem is waste disposal's lock and the bendezium in front of grapple.
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From: LLCoolDave | Posted: 11/22/2003 2:01:51 AM
Don't seperate them, but maybe add a 3rd Pal Slot.
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From: Refreshment | Posted: 11/22/2003 9:31:33 AM
I was watching some of the speed runs. Here are some small sugestions for some rooms.

In the Chozo Ice Temple once you are in the Plate on the CHOZO hands, is quicker to jump to the Chozo shoulder, from there to the arc above there in the wall. Once in the ark just jump strafe jump to the left.

At the Chozo Ruins in the room that leads to the Charge Beam
and Furnance. When entering jump to the platform above your head, next the one to the left and from here jump straight to the piece of broken stairs. From there to the door.

Its not big deal but lets you shave some seconds.

A question to KIP about hes run on Nate's page.

Is it not better once you have the Ice Beam to go to the mines? Just wondering whats your insight on this. Or if anyone else care to answer.
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/22/2003 2:49:36 PM
er...i swear i wasn't high or anything. i meant i'm for keeping the high scores together because the games aren't different enough to warrant separate high scores lists.
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/22/2003 5:48:25 PM
I'm, um, Downloading Mozilla right now... WOW! This thing is gonna take forever.
From: TRH 0313 | Posted: 11/22/2003 6:00:22 PM
why, oh why?!
why do they have to screw up the pal version..
I started a speed run about a week ago when i first heard about Radix incredible time. But the problem is that i have the pal ver. and when i first got to phazon mines (that was today) i noticed that the door to that.. dump thingy that radix jumps to is locked >_<.. but anyway, now im going for the fire beam and thardus instead of trying to beat it "the radix way".. Gah.. i thought that space jump boots first was hard.. that was until i got to the sun tower jump which took me about 2 days to do >_>.. And that wierd jump wich only works in the us ver. (Where Palers have to tbj(m or speed.. i cleared it the speedy way).. now im 6 min behind radix and its my first time speed running! man this rawks :)

wish me luck, i might be the next generations sequence breaker :P

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From: Zanapher | Posted: 11/22/2003 6:26:32 PM
Mouahahaha! Since nobody wants to give their time for hard PAL runs I'm going to give mine and steal three slots (I know my time sucks, I never even wanted to do things fast).
Btw, this is only to motivate ANYONE who has the PAL version to do a decent time...

Any %: Normal
1. kip 1:23 (33%)
2. z0idi 1:33 (38%) <<<PAL>>>
3. Radix37 1:34 (38%)
4. Andrew Mills 1:49 (52%) <<<PAL>>>
5. Zanapher 8:46 (100%) (I know... It's even worse than my Hard time but hey it was my first game, never bothered again with a complete run)

Any %: Hard
1. Radix37 1:45 (33%)
2. Gold Leader 1:58 (31%)
3. Andrew Mills 2:35 (47%) <<<PAL>>>
4. Zanapher 6:21 (100%) <<<PAL>>>
5. <<<PAL>>> (Hey, look, there's still another slot for a time worse than mine!!!)

Low %: Normal
1. TreborSelbon 2:20 (22%)
2. TreborSelbon 1:45 (23%)
3. gamecubeman27 2:29 (23%)
4. Andrew Mills 3:39 (23%) <<<PAL>>>
5. JDAdams 7:54 (24%) <<<PAL>>> (Stupid Metroid Prime... I have a 23% game in about 6h with a save in the crater but I can't kill Prime)

Low %: Hard
1. TreborSelbon 3:10 (23%)
2. kip 4:00 (24%)
3. Gold Leader 4:01 (26%)
4. Zanapher 6:21 (100%)<<<PAL>>> (Yeah, I know, I could have lowered the percentage if I didn't take the Charge+Ice combo because I never used it. Still a PAL low% record though)
5. <<<PAL>>> (Go for it! Another easy record)

100%: Normal
1. Radix37 1:37
2. njahnke 1:50
3. CAL Foolio 2:19
4. Andrew Mills 3:10 <<<PAL>>>
5. Madzombie 3:56 <<<PAL>>>

100%: Hard
1. Radix37 2:07
2. CAL Foolio 2:49
3. MetaRidley2 3:15
4. Zanapher 6:21 <<<PAL>>> (Yay! I so much rock!)
5. <<<PAL>>> (Do I really have to say it again?)

Frigate Escape Times (Time remaining)
1. kip 4:22.05
2. CAL Foolio 4:20.65
3. njahnke 4:17.20
4. Andrew Mills 4:11.78 <<<PAL>>>
5. Zanapher 3:46.xx <<<PAL>>> (Man, I really have to use more dash jumps, don't I?)

Ok,seriously, PAL players who do a speed run, post your scores even if they don't really compete with the best ones. Also erase my scores (did I make it clear that I was kidding ;)) and maybe you should reconsider the "fixed number" of PAL slots.

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From: TRH 0313 | Posted: 11/22/2003 6:32:58 PM
"Any %: Normal
5. Zanapher 8:46 (100%) (I know... It's even worse than my Hard time but hey it was my first game, never bothered again with a complete run)"
what is that time doing there?
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/22/2003 6:33:27 PM
Mozilla is 80% done. I'm not so interested in the 100% run as in the any% 1:23 run. But if things go well, I'll watch both.

I hear Mozilla has built-in IRC, so I'll finally get to join the chat room.

Could someone link me to where kip's run is? And I need Quicktime to view these movies, right?
From: MetaRidley2 | Posted: 11/22/2003 7:39:09 PM
=D kewl no ones gotten a better time then me yet.. *crys.. then runs to his room*...

i'm gonna go play prime again copying Kips an Radix's runs.. =D

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From: MetaRidley2 | Posted: 11/22/2003 7:44:59 PM
for kips radix's and nates runs you can go to nates site here

www.metroid2002.com

an ya you need quick time...

a8sorry for this-second-post
From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/22/2003 8:56:27 PM
Hmm...a lot more PAL slots filled. Good job, Zanapher. I'll do an update in a little while.
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/22/2003 9:01:37 PM
100% does not belong in any %, and certainly not low %. The max for low % is 29%, and even that is too high I think. Also in the chat last night LLCoolDave said he got hard 100% in 8:53 on pal, but that it wasn't worth mentioning. So i'm mentioning it for him :-p
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From: Zanapher | Posted: 11/23/2003 3:57:25 AM
TRH: I went to check the best times list at metroid2002 and there's no 5th best time for Normal Any%. So I gave my normal 100% time...

Videogaming: I'd rather see them filled by someone else with real scores (not that mine are fake, but can this be considered a record just because I'm the only one in the competition?)

Radix: Of course it's not worth mentioning, and none of mine is either. I only posted because someone (namely Videogaming) wanted them filled by anyone so that maybe some people see that they did better and post their times even if they aren't that good compared to the best NTSC ones (at least now they should be hella good compared to mine)
As for the 100% run in the low % scores, it's obvious it doesn't belong there :) But technically mine is still in the lowest posted percentages in PAL!

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From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/23/2003 1:18:38 PM
I agree with Radix on that one...you don't get the same time posted thrice in different categories.

Besides, the rules for low% are that you have to be 27% or below. This is to show that you did at least SOME sequence breaking, and 27% utilizes minimal tricks, all are very easy to learn.
From: Gray Fox 9996 | Posted: 11/23/2003 2:42:24 PM
OR, it could be a 23/22% run, and you could pick up a few extra E-Tanks and the Charge Beam, just to make it easier on yourself. ^_^

Anyway, I haven't been here in a few days, any word on the no Varia run?
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From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/23/2003 6:27:12 PM
Metroid Prime High Scores

Normal any%
1. kip 1:23 (33%)
2. Radix37 1:34 (38%)
3. CAL Foolio 1:39 (43%)
<<<PAL>>> z0idi 1:33 (38%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 1:49 (52%)

Hard any%
1. Radix37 1:45 (33%)
2. Gold Leader 1:58 (31%)
3. CAL Foolio 2:49 (100%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 2:35 (47%)
<<<PAL>>>

Normal Low%
1. TreborSelbon 2:20 (22%)
2. TreborSelbon 1:45 (23%)
3. gamecubeman27 2:29 (23%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 3:39 (23%)
<<<PAL>>> JDAdams 7:54 (24%)

Hard Low%
1. TreborSelbon 3:10 (23%)
2. kip 4:00 (24%)
3. Gold Leader 4:01 (26%)
<<<PAL>>>
<<<PAL>>>

Normal 100%
1. Radix37 1:37
2. njahnke 1:50
3. LeCoureur103 2:14
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 3:10
<<<PAL>>> Madzombie 3:56

Hard 100%
1. Radix37 2:07
2. CAL Foolio 2:49
3. MetaRidley2 3:15
<<<PAL>>> Zanapher 6:21
<<<PAL>>> LLCoolDave 8:53

Frigate Escape Times (Time remaining)
1. kip 4:22.05
2. CAL Foolio 4:20.65
3. njahnke 4:17.20
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 4:11.78
<<<PAL>>> Zanapher 3:46.xx

I think that should be about right...unless you guys dislike my style of updating. There's only two times that would change positions anyway, z0idi's normalany% and Andrew's hardany%.
From: kip | Posted: 11/23/2003 7:45:04 PM
about my run: the reason why i didn't go to the mines right after ice is because, after getting the main pbomb, you need both x-ray and plasma, but they are on opposite sides of the world pretty much.

if you go to get x-ray, you're nowhere near plasma, and if you get plasma you're nowhere near x-ray. getting plasma early lets you avoid this and lets you get spider at the same time (before heading to the mines).

if x-ray could be gotten right after ice somehow, things might be different. but even then, i'm not sure because the hall of elders artifact requires plasma anyway, and it would really be out of the way then since wild and lifegiver are gotten earlier.
From: pilantra | Posted: 11/23/2003 7:57:40 PM
how can i get to reflection pool to get the ice bean without the magnetic ball..........
From: Trevelyan | Posted: 11/23/2003 7:59:50 PM
Your devotion to this game is beyond words... i wish i had the time to play it like that.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/23/2003 9:57:53 PM
Today, I just got a score of 1:42 42% on normal mode. I think that I'll be breaking that 1:39 score in one or two games.

Only problem is, when I do, I have no way to present proof. I have no clue how to make movies, and I probably don't have the money either. Will my time be accepted even though I have no way to prove it?
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/23/2003 10:24:40 PM
CAD2: Do you have a vcr? Record to it and send the tape to one of us. You don't? These days you can buy one for like $25. Problem solved :-)
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Videos of 1:37 at http://planetquake.com/sda/mp/
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/23/2003 10:40:15 PM
I have a vcr. But It would be kinda tough to use it. For one, It's not on the TV I ususally play MP with. Also, I know how to record TV channels, but I have no clue how to record from Input. And I don't want to have to buy a Nintendo RF switch just to do that. (if that's even required, I'll look into that.)

Also, I quit and restart alot when playing. Every single time I do, I'd have to stop and rewind... and I'd have to disconnect or switch from the Gamecube to the VCR to make sure that I don't record over anything. (shudders)

But I'll surely consider that. Does anyone live in the USA, so I wouldn't have to pay huge postal fees?
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/23/2003 10:41:45 PM
If I get fed up, how about just sending a video of the final Prime battle + the mission final screen?
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/23/2003 10:48:39 PM
Even my 15 year old vcr contains standard audio/video in ports... you just hook the output from your gcn to that instead of your tv, then set your vcr to the 'input' channel. My run is recorded in mono sound because my vcr only has mono though... Also you wouldn't have to rewind the tape every time you mess up, only after say 30-45 minutes of botched attempts :-p You can use an 8+ hour tape so that's easy to fit a 2 hour run on even with lots of bad trials. And yeas a lot of us are in the US.
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Videos of 1:37 at http://planetquake.com/sda/mp/
From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 11/24/2003 1:30:11 AM
Low Percent games will always have a cap at 29%, no lower. Anything beyond that opens up a world of problems, like personal opinion on the difficulty of eliminating "required" items. What's difficult for one may not be difficult for another, and vice versa.

If 27% has to be the highest you can have for low %, why not make it 23%? or even 22%?

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From: Refreshment | Posted: 11/24/2003 5:57:46 AM
From: kip | Posted: 11/23/2003 4:45:04 PM | Message Detail
about my run: the reason why i didn't go to the mines right after ice is because, after getting the main pbomb, you need both x-ray and plasma, but they are on opposite sides of the world pretty much.

if you go to get x-ray, you're nowhere near plasma, and if you get plasma you're nowhere near x-ray. getting plasma early lets you avoid this and lets you get spider at the same time (before heading to the mines).

if x-ray could be gotten right after ice somehow, things might be different. but even then, i'm not sure because the hall of elders artifact requires plasma anyway, and it would really be out of the way then since wild and lifegiver are gotten earlier

Is this too slow?:

Once you get "ice" is mines for "power bombs" exit thrugh phazon procesing. Youll be in the room that aces both mines and phendrana. Go to Geo for "plasma", back again to the Phendrana and mines elevator room. Do the Phendrana run as you please. Once Thardus is dead exit through the door that requires the Super Missile, chozo ice temple for the artifact, exit using the monitor station elevator, get the artifact and power bomb expansion, and now for the transport
that leads to root cave.

So you need to get to the furnance, use the short cut at the crash site and enter by the back. Now its all lined up.
The artifact at the furnance, followed by x-ray and artifact. Mines front entrance, Phazon elite artifact (warrior), etc.

Any opinions on this?
From: Refreshment | Posted: 11/24/2003 6:05:34 AM
A small correction i used "furnance" when i was refering to the "hall of the elders".

I tend to call that whole are "furnance for some reason".

Probably the time gain wont be perceived instantly but maybe at the end of the segment.
From: LLCoolDave | Posted: 11/24/2003 9:06:28 AM
3:48.6x Escape - Had that in my Normal Any.
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From: TRH 0313 | Posted: 11/24/2003 2:59:54 PM
4:09 frigate escape time.. not to bad ^^
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From: TRH 0313 | Posted: 11/24/2003 3:18:33 PM
okidoki!
heres the deal.. i'm european, which means i have the pal version (and i just started a speed run a week ago so i got all the techniques now) but.. this x-mas i'm getting the ntsc ver and im starting a new speed run as fast as i can..! Btw.. if i play a speed run 4 hrs straight i get pretty weird.. i start doing everything fast and i have this voice in my head "faster, faster!" :)
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From: TRH 0313 | Posted: 11/24/2003 3:42:34 PM
1 Q. radix..
how do you upload it to your computer afterwards?
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From: vishusmartishus | Posted: 11/24/2003 4:03:19 PM
wow... radix's 100% 1:37 game took me a week to download. but it was definitely worth it. I am amazed. anyways, not to spoil your fun, Radix, but i think you made about 12 minor mistakes that could take your time down to 1:36 :30 or even 1:36. great job, though
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From: DoomdayX | Posted: 11/24/2003 8:09:08 PM
He didnt upload the runs to his computer after a run, he bought a video capture card and the run was ported to his computer as he did them. He has commentary on all the stuff he did right next to the downloads.

you can reach the downloads from metroid2002.com

im currently at part 3 hard mode with 0:13 on the clock...
this bomb jump thing will be the end of me
From: DoomdayX | Posted: 11/24/2003 8:20:47 PM
Just wondering, if I were to finish the game then just record the end with my digital camera and send the file to somone to verify, would that count?

in all honesty, I wouldnt want to spend my time editing the video with some fancy program anyway, id much rather play another round of MP for a better time :)
From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/24/2003 8:49:44 PM
Just wondering, if I were to finish the game then just record the end with my digital camera and send the file to somone to verify, would that count?

in all honesty, I wouldnt want to spend my time editing the video with some fancy program anyway, id much rather play another round of MP for a better time :)

It would be too easy to cheat to the end with an AR, save, and just finish the game for whatever time you wanted. That's why we require documented proof of the whole run in order for the time to count.

If you don't want to use a capture card, or a capturing program, or whatever that's fine. But that doesn't mean that we have to accept your time. It's not like we're trying to be harsh, it's just that there are too many cheaters in speed run / high score topics in all sorts of games and we don't want to have to deal with that.
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From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 11/25/2003 12:33:23 AM
For justification of banks' statement, check out the HRC topic on the Melee Board. Better yet, follow the topic. It gets harsh over there. So far, we've had it easy over here.

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From: pilantra | Posted: 11/25/2003 1:19:36 AM
what about finish the whole game without using any missiles only bean weapons this count as a percentage
From: Toozin | Posted: 11/25/2003 1:23:24 AM
what about finish the whole game without using any missiles only bean weapons this count as a percentage

Can you translate this into English please?
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/25/2003 1:27:42 AM
*farts all over toozin*
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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/25/2003 1:37:43 AM
It's like a kiss from God.
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From: TRH 0313 | Posted: 11/25/2003 7:55:47 AM
"Just wondering, if I were to finish the game then just record the end with my digital camera and send the file to somone to verify, would that count?

in all honesty, I wouldnt want to spend my time editing the video with some fancy program anyway, id much rather play another round of MP for a better time :)

It would be too easy to cheat to the end with an AR, save, and just finish the game for whatever time you wanted. That's why we require documented proof of the whole run in order for the time to count.

If you don't want to use a capture card, or a capturing program, or whatever that's fine. But that doesn't mean that we have to accept your time. It's not like we're trying to be harsh, it's just that there are too many cheaters in speed run / high score topics in all sorts of games and we don't want to have to deal with that."
ok.. how do i upload the movie from my vcr to my comp.?
and whatabout if he shows his gamecube so that you all can see theres no AR memory card? (and verifying that its the gamecube thats connected to his tv).=?
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From: LLCoolDave | Posted: 11/25/2003 10:16:42 AM
Well, I myself wouldn't have anything to say about it as long as you show detailed listing of your run.
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From: DoomdayX | Posted: 11/25/2003 12:38:50 PM
umm, what exactly is an AR???
heh...
From: DoomdayX | Posted: 11/25/2003 12:43:28 PM
(sry for double post)

Also, im currently following radix's run except Im doing it in hard mode, so the only difference is that I occasionally need to stop to take an extra shot here and there, since as of yet there were no major boss differences.

Im up to part 3 of his run with 0:13 on the clock, almost 2 mins behind him...
From: N10sb2002 | Posted: 11/25/2003 12:54:19 PM
what about finish the whole game without using any missiles only bean weapons this count as a percentage

Like the Ice Beans, the Magic Beans, Bernie Bott's All-Flavor Beans, Coffee Beans, Senzu Beans (LAWSUIT!)....

Beans, beans, the musical fruit.
The more you eat, the more you toot.....

Um, ahem....

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From: GameCube04 | Posted: 11/25/2003 2:29:37 PM
23%, 3:57
Frigate Escape Time: 4:19.76

Hi everybody. I've never posted once in any of these topics, but I've actually been reading since the beginning. It's always amazed me how you guys are able to break the boundaries of this game, but I never actually tried much sequence breaking myself until recently. My 23% game isn't much to brag about, I took my time throughout the whole run. I do, however, plan on doing a 22% game with a much better time. I'm also pretty sure I can beat CAL's Frigate time with a good run, but I don't know how much I want to work on it.

BTW, I play the NTSC version of the game.
From: TRH 0313 | Posted: 11/25/2003 3:34:13 PM
anyone of you that have any experience with AR?
since im going to import it i need action replay, and since my tv isn't 60 hz i need to get a gamecube display (yes i know i can buy a TV for the same money but me and my friends throws "gamecube partys" like once a week so its alot easier to get a gamecube display than running around with a big tv all the time).. and since im going to buy this gamecube display i cant record it with my vcr!
noow.. the question: do i need the AR memory card just to play imported games or do you accept a movie clip from my digital camera where i show my gamecube and my gamecube display verifying theres no AR memory card inserted?
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From: TRH 0313 | Posted: 11/25/2003 3:37:36 PM
"Like the Ice Beans, the Magic Beans, Bernie Bott's All-Flavor Beans, Coffee Beans, Senzu Beans (LAWSUIT!)....

Beans, beans, the musical fruit.
The more you eat, the more you toot.....

Um, ahem...."---
lol, one word: WTF!? (we telletubbie faries.. see? no TOS violation..)
SA2B: 171/180 Emblems, SMS: 120/120 shines, LoZ:WW: Done everything!, MP: 100%/100% (duh..), SSBM: 290/290 trophies BtT: Who cares? HRC: 16687.4 M
From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/25/2003 4:35:15 PM
-AR is the abbreviation for Action Replay. It is a cheating device similar to Game Genie or Game Shark.

-No we don't need an external video to show that you don't have an AR inserted. Just watching your complete run would be enough for us to spot if you're a cheater or not.

-To upload video to your computer, you need a capture card with at least Composite inputs. That is, a connection that will receive input from the yellow cable coming out of your gamecube. Sound isn't required.

-And as for using the gamecube display. I'm not sure if you can run the composite cables out while using the display, but if you can't then I don't see how you would upload it to your computer. You'd be better off recording your speed run either directly into your computer and playing on your monitor using a capture program, or recording on a vcr and then uploading it later.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/25/2003 4:39:29 PM
and whatabout if he shows his gamecube so that you all can see theres no AR memory card?

No that wouldn't work. He could just get to the end of the game using an AR, and let the timer go to like, 1:30. Then he could save, take out the AR, then do the video, and we wouldn't know. It need full proof of the whole run.
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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/25/2003 5:08:56 PM
Another reason why ending screens aren't sufficient proof is that they're laughably easy to fake. Even using only paint, you can make a pretty convincing ending screen, provided you have an original one to edit.
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From: DoomdayX | Posted: 11/25/2003 5:19:39 PM
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From: DoomdayX | Posted: 11/25/2003 5:22:25 PM
great, now your all refering to me as to how I could possibly be cheating... Ignoring the fact that I didn't even know what an AR was 5 minutes ago, or where to get one, maybe I could be doing that. or maybe I currently am doing a diligent run and have actually spent 5 hours trying to get that first dash after the frigate on my first try (which I did, and it really pisses me of that people may find my diligent work to be false). If anyone wants you could search my house for an AR or whatever. I guess friends vouching for me wouldnt count since I could get them to lie for me...

bah, maybe I just shouldn't do a run if noone would believe me anyway...
From: DoomdayX | Posted: 11/25/2003 5:28:35 PM
oh, I also found an easy way to restart during a run, at least early on. If you really screwed somthing up while your going through, all you have to do is commit suicide and it asks you if you want to start from save.

Just wondering, did anyone else already find that shortcut when next to the path that leads to the charge beam room?

You do a space jump onto the top pipe to the right of the door, than you can do another space jump off that to go up to the top really quickly. I figured this one out myself, but someone probably beat me to it...
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/25/2003 5:33:24 PM
23%, 3:57
Frigate Escape Time: 4:19.76

GameCube04,

Nice times. If you want them put on the record page, you would need to provide some proof. If you do not want to post it here, you could post it on our site www.metroid2002.com/forum/ . It is not that we do not trust your's or anyone else's time, but like others have said, it is very easy to fake times :/ which really does suck for those who get it legit and who do not have ways of proving.

Now, for frigate time, we would probably need to see a vid, for there are certain check points that can tell how good/bad the escape is (since really, it is more just doing it faster then everyone and not making mistakes).

For your run though, if you wish, just giving a detailed description of how you did it (like your route, times at saves, that sort of thing) because we know the game enough to see if a route is possible, a trick can be done, and the times for each save. If we see something rediculous, or very new, we can test it out even and see if it is for real or fake.

I know, probably not something you want to do just to get on the records page, so up to you..just know there have been a LOT of phony times/routes/tricks that people have posted so it is not your fault :/

I at least hope you are enjoying the game as much as I do. Even if you do not want to get on the records, just being able to do all this for one game is fun eh? :)

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No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/25/2003 5:38:42 PM
DoomdayX, my message can be directed at you as well. We do not think you cheated, it is that others before you have, so unfortunately it is really hard to tell if you are legit, or just trying to cheat your way in the records :/

There is no point accusing someone of cheating until we can look at to what is done..it is like if say a long time ago that a no boost ball game is possible (which only recently was solved)...if the person did not give reasons or methods of getting past certain rooms (life grove, life grove tunnel, geothermal core and ventilation shaft), then it would be easy to not believe them.

Do not take it personnally please unless you are known for given false information (and as far as I know, you have not). It is more to stop those who do feel they need to cheat to get in the records.

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From: DoomdayX | Posted: 11/25/2003 6:57:19 PM
ok, ill try to do this recording buisness, i just hope scan lines arent to bad with the digital camera...

is it alright if I record the majority of a section except the stuff that im going to repeat 200 times? im just talking about the tricks such as the bomb jump back into the sun chamber, as re-formatting and re-recording every time will take as long as a single run. I would also record the times before I start so that you can tell that they are entirely possible and reasonable.

by the way, anyone have some advice to help with that infinite bomb jump trick? the timing is virtually impossible, ive already spent an hour on a 100% account trying to get it :S
From: DoomdayX | Posted: 11/26/2003 1:30:49 AM
well i got the bomb jump down, but I still cant do the unmorph properly... if anyone can offer advice on unmorphing, please tell me. thanks
From: victore | Posted: 11/26/2003 2:36:45 AM
im starting to get into time runs and all. But seriously how long does it take to get good? ive had the game since its came out, beat it on normal then on hard with 100% but find it nearly impossible to even consider getting times under 4 hours, with any percent. How much metroid do you people play? i need some tips for getting started.
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From: TRH 0313 | Posted: 11/26/2003 2:39:22 AM
i dont see how i could connect a vcr to my gamecube when i have a gamecube display on it..
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/26/2003 1:42:06 PM
I'm still working on beating CAL's time and bumping him off the leader board ;)

Right now I'm doing the Omega Pirate run. I was ahead 3 minutes since last time (which was 1:42, which would mean that I would match Cal's time), but somehow I lost 1 minute during my Fungal Hall run and now I'm only ahead by 2 minutes. This tells me that I made some stupid 2-second mistake that I didn't make last game, and it could be easially fixed by FIXING a 2 second-mistake I made last game.

I made a HUGE goof-up in the Phazon processing center last time, so if I do it correctly this time, I should get that minute back and be ahead by 3 minutes. But that would mean I would only MATCH cal's time, not beat it.

I still need to get an extra minute somewhere... and I'm almost done with the game, so it doesn't look probable.

Question. If I match Cal's time, but I get a higher % than he has, do I win?
From: DoomdayX | Posted: 11/26/2003 5:31:16 PM
depending on how well ridley and both Metroid Prime's forms go, there can be rather large variations in completion time... If you get great times for both the bosses, you may be able to get you minute from there.
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/26/2003 5:59:06 PM
sig change :-)
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Metroid Prime record holder: Normal: 100% - 1:37 Hard: any% - 1:45 100% - 1:58
Videos of 1:37 at http://planetquake.com/sda/mp/
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/26/2003 8:27:17 PM
gamecube04, welcome to V5.0, even though you've been here for some time already. ;)

hopefully i'll get my place back in the frigate escape soon.
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From: GameCube04 | Posted: 11/26/2003 10:12:53 PM
4:20.20 on the Frigate now.

I don't have this run on tape or anything, so I dunno if that means my name doesn't get added to the list or what. If/when I go for a better time, I'll be sure to record it.
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/26/2003 11:10:13 PM
I have some news for any MP hard speed runners. I was able to get sj in :05. What really helped was being able to kill parasite queen before the glass spins.

Parasite fight:

http://www.metroid2002.com/tzyr/parasite_hard_1_round.mp4

and sj in :05

http://www.metroid2002.com/tzyr/hard_sj_5.mp4

(you need quicktime to run both vids)

I guess the next landmark for frigate would be on normal :04 landing site (before sj)..but that will come later :)

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From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 11/27/2003 1:54:02 AM
Crap, I forgot to post this yesterday.

Normal 23%, 1:38

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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/27/2003 4:06:25 AM
Question. If I match Cal's time, but I get a higher % than he has, do I win?

If you provide proof.
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From: Refreshment | Posted: 11/27/2003 5:38:54 AM
From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 11/26/2003 10:54:02 PM | Message Detail
Crap, I forgot to post this yesterday.

Normal 23%, 1:38

Thats impresive. Cant wait for you or someone else to upload this run. I really want to see this, a low% done that fast.

From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/27/2003 1:28:52 PM
You would not "win" for having the same time as Cal with a higher percentage. When ranking any% games, the % you use to complete the game isn't a factor, only the time. If you provided proof of the run, and matched Cal's time, i don't see why we wouldn't put you on the list as well anyways.
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/27/2003 6:54:29 PM
gamecube04 is going to shoot himself, but i just got 4:20.83 on the frigate escape today. i'm going to provide the vid as soon as i get home, which should be late sunday.

also, for fans of trebor, i'm going to post his run in full on metroid 2002 for download in about two weeks.

keep rocking
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www.metroid2002.com
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/27/2003 8:49:38 PM
I did it!

Normal 1:37 41%<<<<<

I killed the Omega Pirate insanely fast, saved in the Workstation and found that I was a whopping 4 minutes ahead! I got yet another minute from my run through phendrana's edge, and I saved at my ship before ridley at 5 minutes ahead.

I didn't save after Ridley because he was extremely disagreeable. His wings just refused to p-bomb off the first time. But I killed prime very fast. I pulled off 2 double ice-spreader shots on Prime's first form, and I even shot him in his second form when he was in thermal vision. Since Ridley was bad, I think it's possible for me to get 1:36 if he's agreeable.

Problem is, I didn't tape this run because I wasn't actually planning to beat the record until next game. But I did save all of my save-station times, and I'm willing to answer any rigerous questions about the run.
From: Toozin | Posted: 11/27/2003 9:07:17 PM
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/27/2003 9:07:24 PM
CtrlAltDestroy2, please clarify in exact, reproducible steps how you were able to damage meta ridley's first form using power bombs.
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/27/2003 9:16:50 PM
It's kinda hard to 'clerify in exact reproducable steps' because I haven't figured out exactly how it works yet..

Basically, when Ridley comes down and lands on the platform, if you roll underneath him and lay a power bomb, his wings will come off and he'll assume his 2nd form. His life will also drop until it's where it should be for his 2nd form.

Problem is, sometimes it doesn't work. It's so infuriating. I think it'll only work when he roars (not slashes). I think that you have to lay the bomb exactly when he starts roaring for it to work. But I've tried it many times, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And I don't like that one bit.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/27/2003 9:58:09 PM
I did save all of my save-station times

Please indulge us with your times.
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/27/2003 10:11:19 PM
Here you go.

Ship + Space Jump :05
Gathering Hall :12
Burning Trail :18
Gathering Hall :30
Reflecting Pool :33
Main Quarry :35
Central Dymano :38
Phendrana Shorelines :47
Ship :49
Reflecting Pool :50
Main Quarry before Artifact :54
Main Quarry after Artifact :58
Central Dynamo 1:01
Metroid Quarentine B 1:07
Magmoor Workstation 1:15
Frost Cave 1:18
Ship Before Ridley 1:24
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/28/2003 4:00:34 AM
CtrlAltDestroy2,

I PBed ridley for over an hour (did about 4 restarts just incase I had a bad ridley..I guess..) and no PB did anything to ridley.

I tried many placements for the bomb, but since you said when it works for you I tried most when he landed and roared. May you make a video of it please? Cause maybe I am missing the timing or laying it in the wrong place (I did it when he roared and it was layed under him).

I also tried several times (about 80 minutes worth) your trooper find (in that other topic) but no matter where I was when he disapeared, the troopers were random. May you also make a vid of that please?

...

On another note, I was able to kill ridleys second form (so after his wings are destroyed) on hard in 30 seconds. Not sure if anyone has done faster, but it is great for speed runs (and would be that much faster on normal). I only used 71 missiles as well so it is easy to have that many after ridley's first form.

http://www.metroid2002.com/tzyr/ridley_hard_30.mp4

(you need quicktime to watch the movie)

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No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"
From: Refreshment | Posted: 11/28/2003 9:30:05 AM
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/27/2003 3:54:29 PM | Message Detail

also, for fans of trebor, i'm going to post his run in full on metroid 2002 for download in about two weeks.

UHUU, most anticipated movie of december. You guys are saving a fortune in movie tickets to alot of people. So thank you.

Is there anyone working in another record bracking run?

From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/28/2003 11:54:38 AM
I've been p-bombing Ridley all last night and all this morning, with many, many restarts, and I just can't do that trick again. But I've done it about 6 times in the past, and I did it for my high score run (yesterday morning), but that was the last time I could do it. I must be doing something wrong.

I know this trick works, but I need help trying to figure out how. I thought maybe it had something to do with whether or not he roars with all 4 legs on the ground, whether or not you scanned him, but so far I've been unsuccessful.

So far, my most probable theory is that it has to do with the exact placement of the power bomb. So if I'm right, you have to lay the p-bomb DIRECTLY under his heart, right when he begins to roar with 4 legs on the ground.

If I ever get around to hooking my gcn to my vcr, I'll make the movies you request. I'll also throw in some other stuff like how to get to Flaahgra without morph ball bombs, maybe Andrew Mills could use some videos like that.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/28/2003 12:45:58 PM
I still can't get Ridley. I'm starting to think it has something to do with the fact that I've beaten the game and saved it.

Tell you what. I'll just start a new game, see if I can beat 1:37, Choose my troopers during OP battle, P-bomb Ridley, Videotape the whole thing, and mail it to whoever wants to turn it into a movie.

:)
From: N10sb2002 | Posted: 11/28/2003 2:38:56 PM
My comments about your save point times:
Ship + Space Jump :05
Okay, that's pretty good.
Gathering Hall :12
That's good as well.
Burning Trail :18
This point is no time loss.
Gathering Hall :30
Why here? This is one of the slower save rooms. You could have just saved in Reflecting Pool afterwards
Reflecting Pool :33
You should have skipped the GH save and just gone here.
Main Quarry :35
This is a very out of the way save point. You could have skipped it.
Central Dymano [sic] :38
This one has no loss. It's right next to the Power Bombs
Phendrana Shorelines :47
You could have just gone to the ship.
Ship :49
Pretty good time here. No loss.
Reflecting Pool :50
Okay, this one is pretty hard to believe. You would have had to get the Grapple Beam beforehand and do a perfect Frigate Crash Site jump
Main Quarry before Artifact :54
Didn't really need to do this.
Main Quarry after Artifact :58
Could have continued ahead.
Central Dynamo 1:01
You should have skipped the last 2 saves and gone with this one, in my opinion.
Metroid Quarentine B 1:07
This is a crucial point, pretty much.
Magmoor Workstation 1:15
No time loss really.
Frost Cave 1:18
This is one of the worst save points in the game in time. Should have skipped it.
Ship Before Ridley 1:24
No loss here. Understandable.

Pretty long, eh?
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/28/2003 3:15:31 PM
-"Gathering hall :30
Why here? This is one of the slower save rooms. You could have just saved in Reflecting Pool afterwards"

Because I'm horrible at the Track jump, and I just performed a freaking long segmant from burning trail, to boost, to wave, to the artifact in the suntower. I want to save in the first place I come to.

-"Main Quarry :35
This is a very out of the way save point. You could have skipped it."

No it's not, I have to climb up the building anyway. Besides, why risk messing up the dash jump to waste disposal, or screwing up on the elite pirate?

-"Phendrana Shorelines :47
You could have just gone to the ship."

I was at 38 energy, I would NOT have survived a Magmoor run. I had to save. It always turns out that way.

-"Reflecting Pool :50
Okay, this one is pretty hard to believe. You would have had to get the Grapple Beam beforehand and do a perfect Frigate Crash Site jump"

Correct!

-"Main Quarry before Artifact :54
Didn't really need to do this.
Main Quarry after Artifact :58
Could have continued ahead.
Central Dynamo 1:01
You should have skipped the last 2 saves and gone with this one, in my opinion."

I have a slightly alternate method from Tim's speed run guide. I cant figure out for the life of me how to get up that room with the rotating pillar, so instead of going up the phazon elite room and rotating the beam, I prefer to boost all the way back to the main quarry, and do a segmant very similar to one I did earlier.

-"Frost Cave 1:18
This is one of the worst save points in the game in time. Should have skipped it."

I'm passing that door anyway, after getting the artifact at Phendrana's edge... Why not save? That way, I even get to ignore the hunter metroid completely.

I'm still using Tim's speed run guide. I know there are better routes nowadays, so I would be very greatful if someone would just give me something as simple as a LIST.
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/28/2003 4:33:49 PM
"I have a slightly alternate method from Tim's speed run guide. I cant figure out for the life of me how to get up that room with the rotating pillar, so instead of going up the phazon elite room and rotating the beam, I prefer to boost all the way back to the main quarry, and do a segmant very similar to one I did earlier."

Do you not have spider though? Getting from 1 > 2 is the hardest part without spider, but if you have it, it is just a little be slower then without (so by jumping, but the jump is hard). There are 4 levels (being waste disposal/grapple on 4 and elevator on 3). Getting to 3, and getting to 4 have two different methods you could use.

If you did not grab spider though, after your first visit to CD, did you go straight to shorelines to grab the artifact of Sun in ice temple?

I guess I am curious when you grabbed Artifact of Elder (tower, middle of phendrana).

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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/28/2003 4:45:33 PM
I did not have spider ball. After central Dymano, I went for Plasma then for the artifact in the ice temple. (that's why I saved at Phendrana's Shorelines.) I got the Control Tower artifact at the end of the game, after OP and after Phendrana's edge artifact.
From: MetaRidley2 | Posted: 11/28/2003 5:00:43 PM
Anyone think about maybe scanning the phazon patch beside the thing u scan to dash to the ledge to get the Double Jump Boots?.. scan the phazon thing an maybe u do it good u can fly right into the door u could normally jump to but maybe abit faster.. =( ...

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From: Ir0n BeasT | Posted: 11/28/2003 5:12:38 PM
i think the most lowest percent in the game is 22% or 21%(if one know how to damage the omega pirate when is cloaked)

Missile:To open some room and some bosses
Wave beam: to open purple doors
Ice beam: to open white doors
Plasma beam: to open red doors
Morph ball: to roll in the little passage
Morph Ball bombs: to make a dbj or to open something with the morph slot
Space Jumps: need to reach some high ground
Varia Suit: to enter in the Magmoor Caverns
Power Bombs: to destroy Ben...(i dont remember)
X-ray: to damaga omega Pirate (we can make useless but we need to know how to damage him)
12 artifact: to open the crater
Phason Suit & Beam: To damage Prime' 2nd Form
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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/28/2003 5:15:31 PM
I think it's safe to say we all know that.

Damaging OP without X-Ray is absolutely out of the quesiton though.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/28/2003 5:21:36 PM
If anything is to be skipped now, it'll most likely be space jump boots. But everyone who is trying this has gotten stuck at geothermal core trying to get plasma without spider, boost, or space jump boots. =(
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From: victore | Posted: 11/28/2003 5:34:06 PM
wish me luck im starting my first speed run. i just beat hard 100% and now i am ready.
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From: Gameboy2003 | Posted: 11/28/2003 5:41:51 PM
HOLY **** Tzyr! That was LESS THAN 30 SECONDS!
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From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/28/2003 5:42:03 PM
And even if with learn how to damage MP's second form without the phazon beam, we still need phazon suit to get newborn. It does just less then 1300 damage to you if you try to get it without..and this is if you do that part well (not to mention you will not have boost)...of course, with only 99 health, 1300 is out of the question ;p

So yeah, sj is the next possible choice for skipping an item. But like Banks said, Geo is the problem. We have been working on a no sj game, but that means we also have spider and grapple to get up there. I think it is possible to get up geo without sj..but two very hard ladder dbjm (hard meaning you need an almost perfect jump..a lot harder then ladder off the ship to get sj).

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From: Gameboy2003 | Posted: 11/28/2003 5:48:21 PM
dbjm? What about tbjm?
Wouldn't that give you more height?
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From: Ir0n BeasT | Posted: 11/28/2003 5:52:58 PM
i have saved before the OP but i think we can damage him with PB but thats suck we can carry just 1 PB at time and we need to wait some SP to kill them to refil PB then u will be easily killed by the OP when u r tryng to kill the SP

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/28/2003 5:57:14 PM
i think we can damage him with PB but thats suck we can carry just 1 PB at time and we need to wait some SP to kill them to refil PB then u will be easily killed by the OP when u r tryng to kill the SP

You can damage OP with a power bomb when he's regaining his armor in the phazon pools, but you must have the x-ray visor on when the blast hits him, otherwise it doesn't do any damage. And when you have the main power bomb pick-up, you get 4 power bombs, not just one.
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From: Ir0n BeasT | Posted: 11/28/2003 6:16:10 PM
lol i forget that u can carry 4 pb at times

and if we can found a way to go to plasma chamber at the geo w/o the sj we need to know at the reflecting how to go up
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/28/2003 6:18:49 PM
Gameboy2003,

First, the Ridley fight was exactly 30.06 seconds (when the cut scene ends, to when the death scene starts).

I think if you got amazing at knowing when to shoot a missile to stun him, you could do it a lot faster with less missiles. I counted, and 42 missiles are what it takes to kill Ridley plus 6 to stun him for a total of 48 missiles. Doubt I could ever do that, which is why I just kept shooting hopefully one would stun him.

About not using a tbjm. When you get on spinner 1 in Geo, once you have raised it, the raised plat is too low for a tbj so you have to do a ladder. Now, a tbjm ladder is not easy to pull off. I have done it a hand full of times but the end morph is VERY hard to time well. Cause most of the time you just drop instead of getting that extra height.

With sj, kip and I have gone from spinner 1 to 2 when we had sj using a ladder dbjm. Without sj though, neither of us have made the jump (which is why we believe sj effects morphing). A tbjm should make it for height seems to be our problem, but pulling one off is very hard.

The other very difficult one is getting from Spinner 3 to spinner 2 (2 is the one with the bomb slot). I have not been able to make it, even with sj. kip made it once, but the video showed VERY little room for error. Again, he had sj at the time.

It is not to say that Geo cannot be done, or if even we need dbjm to make it..but that is the best we have been able to do it and it is not easy.

To make it worse, no one has made it from spinner 1 to 3 when 3 was raised, so if say you make it up to spinner 3, raise it, but fall jumping to 2, you would have to reset the room :/ Not looking forward to it at all..heh

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No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"
From: MetaRidley2 | Posted: 11/28/2003 7:45:57 PM
Thy trick ye guys ded here is bloody amazing http://www.metroid2002.com/without_boost_geothermal_core.html

Liek holley crap.. it sounds like somethin i never be abel to do..

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From: Ir0n BeasT | Posted: 11/28/2003 8:09:59 PM
do just a ghetto jump

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From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/28/2003 9:29:57 PM
Your Ridley fight sounds awesome, Tzyr... too bad I can't watch it...

On my 100% normal speed run, I took down his second form in about 50 seconds. Not once did he charge at me... so I plasma'd the bejesus out of him.

Something I noticed, though, when attempting the fight: after he charges, he swings his tail and spins around. If you shoot his tail at the right moment, he'll expose his heart-thingie so you can attack it. Everyone knows about this, right? Okay. Now, whenever I tried to shoot his heart when he was like that, no damage was done to him. I could only hurt him after he'd ROARED and exposed the weak spot.

Has anyone else experienced that? Some sort of glitch?
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/28/2003 9:42:24 PM
LeCoureur103, how come you cannot watch my vids? They are quicktime and you can just download the free one:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/

Anyway, about Ridley. Dunno about whether he roars or not, but one thing I know that Radix said about his run is that when you use wavebuster on Ridley, there are times even when he exposes his chest that you still do not hurt him (which stinks cause he already drains like 175 missiles just using wavebuster to kill him, but if you get his no you can't hurt me phase, you will run out).

We are not sure the reason for it. Though, everytime I did it with missiles, I never ran into that problem. I have done it 4 times (only once in the vid I put up did he not dash me).

Cool about uses plasmas. Kip does that in his any run because well you do not have the kind of missiles to do anything else but plasma. But yeah, having him not dash you is a definite plus eh? Saves a lot of time.

Like I mentioned before, it took 42 missiles to kill Ridley in his second form plus 6 to stun him (so there were 6 segments, 1 missile to stun him each time). Even if it was 25 missiles on normal, that is pretty easy to get during the game, so if you could learn to stun him with a charged shot, use missiles to rape his ground form :)

You do need to learn how to fire missiles fast. I am trying for 3 missiles / second..but no luck yet..not to mention shooting 71 missiles fast hurts ;p

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No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun"
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/28/2003 9:55:08 PM
Jee wiz! I'm VCR-recording for the first time.

Why does everything go wrong when you're recording !?? Why?!

Also I have a really tiny TV to record on, and It's really dark (even with gamma turned all the way up), so it's easy to misjudge distances and stuff.
From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/28/2003 9:55:39 PM
Tzyr: I COULD watch your movies... if I wanted to wait for like an hour. I have dial-up AOL, you see. I would dearly love to watch Radix' videos, but that would take about a year to finish.

So the Wavebuster is the best thing to use on Ridley's second form? For the 100% run I'm doing, missiles are certainly not a problem.

If power bombing him turns out to work, Ridley could be killed in less than a minute... O_O
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/28/2003 10:13:47 PM
Cool CtrlAltDestroy2, cannot wait to see. Yeah, which is why I love capture cards cause I can record days of stuff on my hard drive and just delete the stuff I want..I have already 40 gigs of MP movies :o Need to delete a lot seeing how I only have 10 gigs left ;(

LeCoureur, heh well my movies are not that big. The Ridley fight (ridley_hard_30.mp4) is only 4 megs. You cannot stream the movie, but if you wanted to see it, it is not that bad ;p

lots of people around here are on dial up..it sucks, but meh what can you do eh?

Nah, missiles so far are best on ridley. To give you an idea, Radix' fight on 100% normal took just under 32 seconds (31.998) to kill him with wavebuster. I killed him in 30.06 on hard..so yeah, if you can shoot missiles fast then rapid fire is the way to go..problem though it is not easy. For one, you have to fire really fast. Two, you have to make sure you hit his mouth so he exposes his chest. Most of the battles I had, he would still charge me. It was only once that I did it without him charging me, so I definitely need to do that more often, or at least for my run..too bad it will be like April before I get to Ridley lol (after about 3-4 weeks, finally finished frigate..it was not the greatest, but I think it was the fastest done on hard. I was able to kill parasite queen before the glass spun and my escape was so so 4:13. I was also able to get SJ in :05).

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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/28/2003 11:37:52 PM
I posted this in the Choose Your Troopers thread, but it's relevant here too, so I'll post the link:

http://www.metroid2002.com/toozin/oppirates.htm

Gather what you will from that.
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From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 11/29/2003 10:13:49 AM
Stop moaning about the dark screen!

When I record using my capture card, I have to play it in a screen that's 320x240!! O_O

And that plainly sucks, even in an 800x600 resolution... =/

Oh, and I'll soon start work on either a PAL 23% game (recorded) or a PAL WR any % run (recorded)... =)

Andrew "Website Monkey" Mills
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From: SkedarHunter | Posted: 11/29/2003 2:47:03 PM
Hello, all...sorry I haven't been around in forever, it's just I've begun tiring of Metroid and sequence breaking(commence screams of "HOW DARE YOU!!"), and found other things to do.

So...anyone care to fill me in on what I've missed?(don't really feel like reading through 40+ pages of ten messages each)
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/29/2003 4:07:08 PM
hey skedar, long time no type. radix raped everyone's best times except kip's (he got 100% in 1:37 on normal), we (meaning kyuenjin and kip) skipped boost, moved all the s.breaking content over to metroid 2002, and #metroid is as lively as ever, especially after the release of radix's, kip's and my runs, with trebor's 23% coming soon.

btw, i am in love with your observatory discovery... ;)
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From: Gameboy2003 | Posted: 11/29/2003 4:51:57 PM
With sj, kip and I have gone from spinner 1 to 2 when we had sj using a ladder dbjm. Without sj though, neither of us have made the jump (which is why we believe sj effects morphing). A tbjm should make it for height seems to be our problem, but pulling one off is very hard.

The other very difficult one is getting from Spinner 3 to spinner 2 (2 is the one with the bomb slot). I have not been able to make it, even with sj. kip made it once, but the video showed VERY little room for error. Again, he had sj at the time.

Heck, if you can barely go from spinner 3 to spinner 2 with sj, then you NEED to to do a tbj ladder. Anyways we thought Geo without boost was impossible and took months to get through, but you did it. So you must keep trying for however long it takes to get there with a tbj ladder.

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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/29/2003 9:09:43 PM
ATTENTION: does anyone have a complete copy of CALFoolio's 1:46 any % run (the one featured on twingalaxies and in egm) that they could send to me? i have several methods of receiving the videos, at least one of which will probably work for you. i will credit you as the source of the videos when i post them on metroid 2002.

thanks
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/29/2003 11:20:56 PM
I probably was doing something I didn't realize. Also, my theory might be wrong, It may have something to do with Your Pos + OP's Pos + Time it takes to knock OP down. I don't know. I guess you'll see once I'm done with my video.

In my recorded run, I last saved in the gathering hall :30. So far so good. I make many small mistakes, but all the big mistakes deserve restarting.

The first time I recorded, I got a pretty good frigate escape time, but I forgot to switch my VCR to SLP!! So I'm recording it in 2hr SP mode. If I run out of room, I'll see if I can record it to a different tape somehow.

I decided to watch my video, what I have done so far... OMG!! I stink!! :> But oh well, If I get 1:37 again I guess it doesn't matter, does it?
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/29/2003 11:46:31 PM
CtrlAltDestroy2, we are going to require complete video proof of any future run from you to be able to accept your score. we were unable to duplicate any of the tricks you claim to have used in getting that time, and we cannot accept the time without proof of said tricks working.
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From: GameCube04 | Posted: 11/30/2003 12:22:39 AM
Nate, CAL sent me his 1:46 run as well as his 100% 2:19 run a while ago. He sent me them through the mail, so the only way I can get them to you is to mail them. Let me know if you want to work something out.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/30/2003 6:46:26 PM
Taped run progress: I saved at Central Dymano with a time of 1:00! That's 1 minute improvement since last time! ...Should have been :59 or :58 though, I made way too many mistakes. But I did skip some of the save stations as suggested earler.

I'm coming up to OP and Ridley, so I'll get a chance to do those tricks. Ridley will be easy, all I have to do is P-bomb him and catch it on tape. But OP will be a bit harder to prove. I might just show 2 or 3 consecutive runs where I get plasma troopers while standing in the same place. I hope that'll be enough.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/30/2003 6:56:56 PM
"CtrlAltDestroy2, we are going to require complete video proof of any future run from you to be able to accept your score. we were unable to duplicate any of the tricks you claim to have used in getting that time, and we cannot accept the time without proof of said tricks working."

Hey, those tricks don't make the run. They only save about 1 minute in total. I'm taping my current run, and even if I can't get those tricks to work again (Hopefully I'll be able to) you can still accept the score because I have proof.

Here's my email address: Subrosiandude3@AOL.com
Somebody please send me an address I can mail the casette to.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/30/2003 6:59:03 PM
Actually, they save about 2 minutes. P-bombing ridley means that he only flies away once.
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/30/2003 10:59:23 PM
everyone (who has quicktime) can check out my 04:20.83 frigate escape here:

http://www.metroid2002.com/nate-f.escape-04.20.83.mp4

sorry the quality is a little worse than usual; this comes from a vhs tape recorded on slp (super lousy play), also known as ep.
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From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/30/2003 11:29:59 PM
Full video proof? Give him some slack. Let him show his new little tricks on video, and that should be enough. He has discovered several SWs, is obviously very skilled, and is as legit as anyone on the list - many of whom don't even have any proof.

But seeing the video is always nice :)
From: njahnke | Posted: 12/1/2003 12:14:05 AM
Any %: Normal
1. kip 1:23 (33%)
2. z0idi 1:33 (38%) <<<PAL>>>
3. Radix37 1:34 (38%)
4. CAL Foolio 1:39 (43%)
5. Andrew Mills 1:49 (52%) <<<PAL>>>

Any %: Hard
1. Radix37 1:45 (33%)
2. Gold Leader 1:58 (31%)
3. Andrew Mills 2:35 (47%) <<<PAL>>>
4. <<<PAL>>>
5. <<<PAL>>>

Low %: Normal
1. TreborSelbon 2:20 (22%)
2. TreborSelbon 1:38 (23%)
3. gamecubeman27 2:29 (23%)
4. Andrew Mills 3:39 (23%) <<<PAL>>>
5. JDAdams 7:54 (24%) <<<PAL>>>

Low %: Hard
1. TreborSelbon 3:10 (23%)
2. kip 4:00 (24%)
3. Gold Leader 4:01 (26%)
4. <<<PAL>>>
5. <<<PAL>>>

100%: Normal
1. Radix37 1:37
2. njahnke 1:50
3. CAL Foolio 2:19
4. Andrew Mills 3:10 <<<PAL>>>
5. Madzombie 3:56 <<<PAL>>>

100%: Hard
1. Radix37 1:58
2. CAL Foolio 2:49
3. MetaRidley2 3:15
4. <<<PAL>>>
5. <<<PAL>>>

Frigate Escape Times (Time remaining)
1. kip 4:22.05
2. njahnke 4:20.83
3. CAL Foolio 4:20.65
4. z0idi 4:14.xx <<<PAL>>>
5. Andrew Mills 4:11.78 <<<PAL>>>

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note that cal's any % run is not new; we just added it back in so that there would be two pal slots in every category.
From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 12/1/2003 3:38:57 AM
Looks like we will have a definitive answer to a no-morphball game tonight thanks to the brain of The Pizza Boy on the SW topic. He suggested getting the Boost ball before morphball, which is VERY easy to do with an AR2 + Inf Health + Moonjump.

It'll replicate the EXACT same scenario as collecting the morphball bombs w/o mball, in that we'll start pre-morphed w/o the morphball. And we can get there with nowehere NEAR as much hassle.

This'll give us the answer whether we should pursue a no morphball game or not... Tune into the SW topic Version 3 for the answer later on today...

*Looks at zOidi's PAL Escape Time*

*dies*

Andrew "MP SW Monkey" Mills
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From: z0idi | Posted: 12/1/2003 9:00:59 AM
hmm,

I see my frigate escape time has sneaked into the ranking.
If you don't like the '.xx' in there then I can assure that I will tape a 4.14.00+ time; it will just take a while until it is available.

And don't forget: this isn't about proving, it is about providing vids for www.metroid2002.com. =P

cheers,
zoidi
From: DoomdayX | Posted: 12/1/2003 5:06:28 PM
wouldnt trebors low % normal run also be one of the top times in normal any % ???

i mean, in running or swimming there is no limit to the records you hold, if u hold a record you hold a record.

its as simple as that
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 12/1/2003 8:11:18 PM
I'm kinda pissed right now. Remember how I said my screen was dark? Well... Let's just say my fungal hall run was a complete disaster. Not only did I lose my extra minute, I lost another minute as well.

Right now I'm at Ship Before Ridley 1:25 grrrrrrrrr
From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 12/1/2003 9:16:26 PM
Say, Nate:

Why is not my 100% Normal run in the top three? I posted it a couple of weeks ago... but in case you missed it, it is 2:14 and beats CAL's 2:19. I am on NTSC, by the way.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 12/1/2003 9:50:48 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention, about OP!

I 'gave myself' plasma troopers first round on the video. I tried to do it again, but I got my phazon pools mixed up and I stood in the wrong place. Note that that's my first attempt at OP, I only restarted once because I hit my head on the ledge twice when trying to get up Metroid Quarentine B.

Onward to Ridley!

And I'm wondering. Is this taped run (looks like it's going to be a 1:38 run) be enough to trust me? What I'm saying is, I can play much better MP without my puny, dark TV and without the pressure of videotaping. Is it okay if, after I'm done with my taped run, I do another speed run and tape only the final boss battles and the mission final screen? Will you accept that score, seeing that I'm perfectly capable of doing a speed run, and that I can get a much better time simply by eliminating all the stupid screw-ups on the Videotape?
From: kip | Posted: 12/1/2003 10:03:47 PM
can you prove power bombs on ridley?
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 12/1/2003 10:06:56 PM
I won't stop until it works and I get it on tape.
From: kip | Posted: 12/1/2003 10:18:55 PM
i'm only one person, but that would be enough for me to believe everything. for what it's worth.
From: MetaRidley2 | Posted: 12/1/2003 10:37:27 PM
I know power bombs work on ridley *_* i knew about it aaaaalong time agoooo.. but mes no say anythin becauze me think it would be me little secret an i no see anyone else claiming it so i happy i found kewl secret.. myself.. PB rip 50% of ridleys health away.. *_*.. if done right it burns his wings off an he stays grounded.. instead of flying off again.. an yes it is hard to do it.. will web-cam video work maybe?.. if i can do it good enough?...

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From: kip | Posted: 12/1/2003 10:44:38 PM
"will web-cam video work maybe?.. if i can do it good enough?..."

depends, there's no way for anyone to tell how it looks until they see it; or whether it's "good enough."

btw, are you even planning on making a vid or are you just fooling around?
From: Toozin | Posted: 12/1/2003 10:50:59 PM
i knew about it aaaaalong time agoooo.. but mes no say anythin becauze me think it would be me little secret an i no see anyone else claiming it so i happy i found kewl secret.. myself..

And we all believe you, just like we believed you made it through Magmoor without Varia. You're our hero Ridley!
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 12/1/2003 11:14:44 PM
DID IT! DID IT! DIDITDIDITDIDITDIDTIDIDTISDIDTIDTIDTI!!!!!!!!!!

I P-BOMBED RIDLEY AND GOT IT ON TAPE!!

Even better I know how it works!!!!!

When Ridley swoops down and lands on the platform, all you have to do is get behind him. He'll do that Hey-WTF-Did-You-Go-Whip-Tail-Around move that he normally does in his 2nd form. Then, just p-bomb him in the back, under his tail. Bingo! Wings burn off, instant 2nd form!!

Try it, it really works!

Bad news is, I ran out of space on my 2-hr tape. I'll see if I can get that thing re-recorded to a SLP tape as soon as possible.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 12/1/2003 11:18:57 PM
Whoa! What was I smoking when I wrote that post?! It looks like some kinda N00b did that.

You may need to boost in order to get behind him quickly enough. You need to do it before he lands, or else he'll just turn and look at you again. Also, I think you need to lay the bomb BEFORE he whips his tail around for it to work.

I was fighting ridley... He came swooping down so I morph balled in an attempt to get ready to try the p-bomb trick. He sat on me and I flew backward, behind him. I saw him do that whip-around move and it reminded me of his 2nd form. Then it hit me. DUHHH! That's how I figured it out.
From: Toozin | Posted: 12/1/2003 11:20:41 PM
You got it on tape, but you need to re-record it because you ran out of tape? I'm confused.
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 12/1/2003 11:22:54 PM
No. I got it on tape, but while I was fighting Prime's 1st form, the tape ran out. So now I'll need to record this 2-hr tape onto a longer tape, perhaps a 6 hr one. That is, if you wish to see the entire run.
From: Toozin | Posted: 12/1/2003 11:23:37 PM
Ah, gotcha.
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 12/1/2003 11:28:27 PM
I'm just glad I beat MetaRidley2... He almost took credit for the whole thing :)
From: Tzyr | Posted: 12/2/2003 1:03:18 AM
I still do not see what I did differently then before, seeing how I have tried over 3 hours and it never worked. But I just verified your pb trick CAD2 and yes, it does work so great find.

...Meta, you cannot keep something a secret then claim credit for it...

http://www.metroid2002.com/tzyr/ridley_pb.mp4

Honestly though about your OP trick. Either you are doing something that you do not know to get the troops, or I am sure it is just coincidence. The reason why I say this is we have done tests and you get random guys even standing in the right place..but because of how numbers work, you could keep getting plasma's or whatever and think it works.

Because your pb on ridley strat worked (it means you are not totally full of bs.. ;p I am kidding btw heh) I think unless you are doing something that you do not know, you are just getting a coincidence of guys.

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From: Toozin | Posted: 12/2/2003 1:07:30 AM
Well, you may have been wrong about Omega Pirate, but you made up for it with this here Ridley trick. Nice find ControlAltDestroy2.
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From: kip | Posted: 12/2/2003 1:20:09 AM
thanks for the trouble. it's really big for speed runs.
From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 12/2/2003 1:23:24 AM
Nice find, indeed.

Can't wait to get back there...

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From: Radix37 | Posted: 12/2/2003 2:59:08 AM
Indeed, it worked for me the VERY FIRST time I tried it tonight. Why didn't I just try it last week when I was at ridley on hard 100%? I could have had 1:55 :-\ Anyway I did it tonight in my "warm up" normal any % run that I started a few days ago. I was taking rather crap segments in a few parts but I was staying even with kip's 1:23. He's working on a new run now, and is 2 minutes faster after ice. Even though I was slow I beat him... I got 1:21. So temporarily I can lay claim to four records!
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Metroid Prime record holder: Normal: any% - 1:21 100% - 1:37 Hard: any% - 1:45 100% - 1:58
Videos of 1:37 at http://planetquake.com/sda/mp/
From: njahnke | Posted: 12/2/2003 3:41:10 AM
congratulations, CtrlAltDestroy2, on your discovery. however, i must advise you that i won't be able to do much with your speed runs if you record them on SLP (EP). please use either SP or LP (if you have it).

thanks.
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From: kip | Posted: 12/2/2003 3:45:46 AM
gasp, i thought we were cool radix. =P

should give frigate escape a try now. the only thing about that is having to watch the parasite queen's death every time, and that one door by the save point where everything stops for a year.
From: njahnke | Posted: 12/2/2003 4:10:28 AM
getting a little paranoid, kip? ;)
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From: kip | Posted: 12/2/2003 4:26:49 AM
it will probably be a few days before i can get started on the follow up. i'd like to now but i can't because i need to finish this one.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 12/2/2003 6:35:58 PM
DRAT!! There goes my record breaking run... Darn you Radix!! :)

So I guess you'll be having no need to see my video now, since I'm not breaking any records!

Anyway, about OP. You can believe it or not, and I personally don't care. I'll just leave it at that. But I'll tell you EXACTLY how I kill OP, and you can try it if you want. Below is a very rough sketch of OP's room.

0 = Phazon Pool

~~~~~_______
~~~~~/~~~~~~\
~~~~/X~~0~~~~\
~~~/~~~~~~~~~\
~~~|~~~~~~~~~|
~~~|~0~~~~~0~|
~~~|~~~~~~~~~=This is the exit elevator
~~~|~~~~~~~~~|
~~~-------||-------

And the || is the entrance door. My strategy for OP is:

Enter the room, and boost to the right, through the phazon pool, and towards OP's tank.

Skip the cutscene and OP will stand there like an idiot.

Shoot HIS left shoulder and left knee about 5 times with
plasma beam. (Uncharged)

Dash jump around behind him, through the phazon pool.

Shoot his right shoulder and knee about 5 times with the plasma beam. He should be done acting now and he'll start to attack you.

Fire a charged plasma shot to all his weak points, one at a time, so he doesn't get a chance to move or do anything.

Once he's down, Scan him (I don't know why), then go over and stand at X. Look at the entrance door and 2 plasma troopers will drop and attack you.

Kill plasma troopers, get Xray visor on and get ready for him.

When he appears, rapid fire 5 missles into him. Wait for him to appear again then fire 5 more missles at him. Wait for him to appear again then fire 5 more missles at him.

After you've shot him the 3rd time, kill the 2nd wave of pirates before OP comes back to life.

Shoot down his phazon sacs again, kill the pirates if you can in time,(then rapid fire 5 missles into him 2 times and he's dead.
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Anyway, I must ask Kip a question. Could you please tell me the order in which you played this game on your 1:23 run? And please don't tell me "watch this movie" because I can't. I'd just like a general list of what you did in the order you did it, so maybe I can get in on some of this 1:1x action.
From: Toozin | Posted: 12/2/2003 7:05:20 PM
Well Ctrl, that method may or may not work, I can't say for sure. But I can tell you that it's something in that routine BESIDES Samus's position that affects the choice of pirates, if indeed you are affecting the choice of pirates (it's not out of the question that this is coincidence). If it was Samus's postion, my test would have gotten more consistant results. Maybe it has something to do with you're doing the OP-standing-still trick. I wasn't doing that at all.
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 12/3/2003 12:08:54 AM
Normal any%: 1:19 with 32%

Still a warm-up run where the first 50 minutes were sub-par. All I did was better ridley & prime fights because I wanted 1:19 :-)
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Videos of 1:37 at http://planetquake.com/sda/mp/
From: njahnke | Posted: 12/3/2003 1:05:55 AM
RULES FOR HIGH SCORE SUBMISSION (It's as easy as one, two, three! :P)

[1] Check that your time is faster than at least one time on the official scoreboard (available here and on Metroid 2002 at <http://www.metroid2002.com/speed_runs.html>).
[2] If this is your first submission in that category, you will need to present complete video evidence of your Speed Run/Low Percent Game/Frigate Escape. For example, if you are presenting a Low Percent time, even if one of your Frigate Escape times has already been accepted, you will need to present the complete video of your Low Percent run. It is fairly easy to record your playing using a standard VHS VCR. If you are unable to transfer the video to your computer, I can do it for you. Contact me at nate@metroid2002.com and we can make arrangements for me to receive your video.
[3] Even if you are already "trusted" in a category, you are encouraged to record your subsequent runs and/or share your route and any special techniques you use with this topic. The Sequence Breakers reserve the right to question any time we deem unrealistic.

HIGH SCORES

Any %: Normal
1. Radix37 1:19 (32%)
2. kip 1:23 (33%)
3. z0idi 1:33 (38%) <<<PAL>>>
4. CAL Foolio 1:39 (43%)
5. Andrew Mills 1:49 (52%) <<<PAL>>>

Any %: Hard
1. Radix37 1:45 (33%)
2. Gold Leader 1:58 (31%)
3. Andrew Mills 2:35 (47%) <<<PAL>>>
4. <<<PAL>>>
5. <<<PAL>>>

Low %: Normal
1. TreborSelbon 2:20 (22%)
2. TreborSelbon 1:38 (23%)
3. gamecubeman27 2:29 (23%)
4. Andrew Mills 3:39 (23%) <<<PAL>>>
5. JDAdams 7:54 (24%) <<<PAL>>>

Low %: Hard
1. TreborSelbon 3:10 (23%)
2. kip 4:00 (24%)
3. Gold Leader 4:01 (26%)
4. <<<PAL>>>
5. <<<PAL>>>

100%: Normal
1. Radix37 1:37
2. njahnke 1:50
3. LeCoureur103 2:14
4. Andrew Mills 3:10 <<<PAL>>>
5. Madzombie 3:56 <<<PAL>>>

100%: Hard
1. Radix37 1:58
2. CAL Foolio 2:49
3. MetaRidley2 3:15
4. <<<PAL>>>
5. <<<PAL>>>

Frigate Escape Times (Time remaining)
1. kip 4:22.05
2. njahnke 4:20.83
3. CAL Foolio 4:20.65
4. z0idi 4:14.xx <<<PAL>>>
5. Andrew Mills 4:11.78 <<<PAL>>>
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From: TRH 0313 | Posted: 12/3/2003 6:19:53 AM
"[2] If this is your first submission in that category, you will need to present complete video evidence of your Speed Run/Low Percent Game/Frigate Escape. For example, if you are presenting a Low Percent time, even if one of your Frigate Escape times has already been accepted, you will need to present the complete video of your Low Percent run. It is fairly easy to record your playing using a standard VHS VCR. If you are unable to transfer the video to your computer, I can do it for you. Contact me at nate@metroid2002.com and we can make arrangements for me to receive your video."

That will never happen.. I live in sweden.
btw; 4'09'62 frigate escape time. not to bad ^^
i will soon get a new computer (for christmas) with tv-out, is there any chance that i can transfer my speed run using tv-out?
I just started a speed run at hard. Aiming at Sub 3 hrs.
(i've never completed a speed run because pal sucks.. but this time its different)
im going to meet flaahgra, saved at.. that place near flaahgra at 14 min.
it only took me 2 tryes to kill OP at hard first time! :P
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From: kip | Posted: 12/3/2003 7:57:30 AM
here is the route used for the 1:23 run:

http://www.metroid2002.com/kip/123stuff.txt

to help you out i also put in the time i had at the end of each segment (the numbers in parenthesis are roughly the seconds left until the next minute). it's possible to be much lower at most of the save points now, because of all the new finds since then; it was done in july. still don't have a :04 landing though.

also, thermal is not in there, but unless you can beat prime in 4 pools without it, it's worth taking. if you can't do enough damage to him in the thermal phase, then you'll end up having a 5 pool fight and that will add another minute to the time. just so you know.

http://www.metroid2002.com/kip/normal_any_percent_route.txt

and this is the latest route, the one that is believed to be the best. only a few things are in debate with it (grapple or not, aether lab tank or not, etc). it's pretty much the same thing as the 1:23 route except for a few things though. the route itself hasn't changed much from july, it's all the new tricks that keep dropping the time, which is why you really need to watch videos IMO.
From: MrGuru | Posted: 12/3/2003 9:45:34 AM
Okay, I guess I'll post this here too:

Can anyone give me pointers on how to DBJ over the gate in the Great Tree Hall? I've just recently experienced my first sequence break, and I want more.
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From: njahnke | Posted: 12/3/2003 11:33:18 AM
mail is capable of being sent from sweden to texas.

for the a.r.gate bomb jump, see here: http://www.metroid2002.com/speed_tricks_arboretum_runic_gate.html (you'll need quicktime to view the videos)

if you're on pal, it doesn't work; they added an invisible wall to stop you.
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From: Tzyr | Posted: 12/3/2003 11:40:11 AM
Ever wondered if you could get wavebuster without shooting all those missiles, and of course without moonjump? Well kip and I have something you may want to see:

;p

to see what is going on:

http://www.metroid2002.com/tzyr/wavebuster_no_missiles.mp4

for speed (yes, I know I messed up at the end, but by the time I finally got it, I had enough of the room):

http://www.metroid2002.com/tzyr/demented_tower_of_light.mp4

A little note. In the first vid I do a ghetto jump onto the first ledge, but that is slow so that is why I do a scan dash in the second..fear not you PAL users, it should work for you ;p I was actually going to do one with a ghetto backwards, but I dislike doing them in a speed run for I always mess them up.

To give you an idea of time difference...it took me 28.06 seconds from when you enter the room to when the cut scene starts when you grab wavebuster. On hard, you would need to fire 6 missiles for each block, or 1 super missiles, since there are 12 blocks, and it takes about 4.5 seconds to charge, shoot and recover from a super missile, that is 54 seconds right there just to shoot the blocks. Another way to judge is in Radix' #9 vid for his 100% run, he took 48.6 seconds to get to the top... ;p

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From: njahnke | Posted: 12/3/2003 11:40:40 AM
wow, i'm retarded.

here's the dbj over gth bars: http://www.metroid2002.com/without_gravity_skip_frigate.html

my recommendation would be to charge a boost (not shown in the video), then release it the moment you see yourself stuck at the top bar. that helps me get through with great consistency and precision. others in here will have tips for you, as well.
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From: MrGuru | Posted: 12/3/2003 12:29:30 PM
Well thanks guys, I did it after about 10 minutes of work! Onto the mines!! W00t!!!
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From: njahnke | Posted: 12/3/2003 12:41:21 PM
guru, you need to come by #metroid. (check metroid2002.com under chat.) we could use people with that kind of talent.
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From: njahnke | Posted: 12/3/2003 12:49:47 PM
refreshment, thanks for the chozo ice temple discovery. will be making a video for m2k2 soon.
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From: Toozin | Posted: 12/3/2003 12:54:37 PM
Lots of people in this thread should stop by #metroid. What with that cgi chat Nate has running, you have no excuse not to!
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From: njahnke | Posted: 12/3/2003 12:55:17 PM
i agree. it's pretty hella, though unfortunately it doesn't work with safari yet. :(
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From: Toozin | Posted: 12/3/2003 12:58:42 PM
People on safari should be more concerned with shooting elephants and avoiding man eating lions than chatting anyway.
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From: njahnke | Posted: 12/3/2003 1:00:28 PM
it's kind of funny, yeah, it was supposed to be a reference to the os x versions (cheetah, puma, jaguar, panther).

also, wwii era nazi tanks were named in the same way (panzer = panther).
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From: kip | Posted: 12/3/2003 1:01:02 PM
how about that wavebuster thing huh? what next speed thing should we work on?
From: Toozin | Posted: 12/3/2003 1:03:07 PM
I think we should try to find a use for the flamethrower. That would be the most impressive sequence break ever.
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From: njahnke | Posted: 12/3/2003 1:03:16 PM
tzyr needs to post his sheegoth thing. imo you were right to restart your run, since that's probably going to save hella time on normal.
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From: kip | Posted: 12/3/2003 1:04:20 PM
i remember flamethrower before thardus, devilbit thought maybe we finally found a use for it but we underestimated its crappiness.
From: njahnke | Posted: 12/3/2003 1:05:23 PM
i love libbie with all of my heart!
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From: MrGuru | Posted: 12/3/2003 1:06:21 PM
I <3 Samantha.
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From: Toozin | Posted: 12/3/2003 1:06:42 PM
Nate, I don't see how that pertains to Metroid Prime. Please try to stay on topic.

Nate, non vedo come quello appartiene perfezione di Metroid. Prego prova da rimanere sul soggetto.
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From: kip | Posted: 12/3/2003 1:07:35 PM
more than sj first?
From: njahnke | Posted: 12/3/2003 1:08:05 PM
please see Fastest Times Ranking and Sequence Breaking Discussion, V6.0 for the latest times and s.breaking information.
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