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Ice Beam + Gravity Suit before Thardus using Triple Jump (v. 2.0)

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From: The Leech | Posted: 1/27/2003 3:18:18 PM
I took the liberty of making it. You can thank me by posting a video of the triple bomb jump. ;P
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From: shadow master00 | Posted: 1/27/2003 3:22:12 PM
Heeee hoooo whaaaaa? What are you talking about? You talk in ridles what is wrong with you? STOP CONFUSING ME!!!!!!!!

Oh yeah and what did you mean by that????
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From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 3:25:32 PM
sorry dude, i'd make a video of it for you but i'm still trying to sort that whole thing out.

perhaps zell is gonna do a video of it though, he already has the capability IIRC and he knows how to tbj.
From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/27/2003 3:27:32 PM
hmm.. next thing I plan on working on: space jump before flaaghra

hopefully devilbit can give everyone some pointers :-\
From: MajorAltitude | Posted: 1/27/2003 3:27:43 PM
why don't you show how to do it so the n00bs won't complain because there isn't such thing as a triple bomb jump. (thats what they would say. I know the triple bomb jump is possible.)
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From: Diffusion | Posted: 1/27/2003 3:36:42 PM
Unfortunately, I missed the end of the other topic. What happened? And has kip or any other brave soul yet completed the 27% game?

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From: RockMFR 5 | Posted: 1/27/2003 3:38:55 PM
So, is this the new topic? I enjoyed reading the other one.
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From: Diffusion | Posted: 1/27/2003 3:55:18 PM
I hope to get SJ before Flaaghra (sic?) too. I just have a desire to be on the "cutting edge." Then I'll work on Plasma Beam before Flaaghra. w/SJ, it should be MUCH easier to get through early Magmoor.

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From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:01:15 PM
space jump before flaahgra is probably the hardest discovery to do so far... so have fun. hmm wave beam before space jump needs confirming too come to think of it (don't stop at the ice temple; actually get the wave beam, amasawa had a problem getting to the top of the ice temple IIRC).
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:03:40 PM
I have a video of it, but a) it needs to be edited so it's not so large, b) it's in .mov format, and I've tried everything I can to convert it to another format I can edit with zero success, which makes me wonder. Anyway, c) it was taken with a digital camera, so the quality could be better (although it's definitely usable and would probably help people having trouble.

In short, find someone to help kip and we could have stunning videos of every trick in the book, complete with commentary and screen tips. :)
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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:08:28 PM
I just got my plasma beam! And I haven't even been to the mines! Or gotten the gravity suit, for that matter... Unfortunately, I can't nail a tbj, so I have the spider ball... :( Woe is me.

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From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:17:01 PM
what do you mean? you don't need to use tbj to get plasma before thardus. it's all space jumps.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:19:00 PM
I think he means he couldn't get the ice beam (and hence the plasma beam) until the spider ball since he couldn't nail the tbj needed to get up into the furnace.
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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:20:04 PM
I have the spider ball. Note those words. I did it with the spider ball. What's interesting, is that there were no plated parasites. I needed spider ball for the ice beam.

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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:20:58 PM
Awasama- i'm kinda in the same position as you are... mov formats.. cant convert.. digital camera... arggg!

kip- SEND YOUR TXT FILE PLEASE!! :D
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:26:36 PM
mario, I'm sure kip saw the part of your post that said you had the spider ball. most likely he just thought that maybe you thought you needed a triple bomb jump to reach the lowest platform in the geothermal core, since that's the way it was originally done and the information available re: tricks for this game has increased dramatically over the past few days

zell99, I tried so many different programs to convert it, and I even got some application out of the quicktime suite to make some attempt at converting the file, but the original movie is 20MB and after leaving the app running overnight, it was still converting the file and the filesize was up to 2GB! There must be some other way to do this; I know video takes up a lot of space if it's large and uncompressed, but this is not a viable way for me to do this. :(
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From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:47:23 PM
oh, NM then. i figured it was either that or you used it to get the ice beam. =P

zell, ok hold on.
From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:51:22 PM
Idea for space jump before flaaghra... y'know how you get that little added 'boost' when you jump near your ship? MAYBE someone could figure out a way to drop a bomb up near the ship, un-morph, jump up from the ground for the added boost, morph back to bomb just in time to catch the explosion and then MAYBE make it up to the sj ledge?

lol ;)

which method did devilbit use when he got it?
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:52:03 PM
thanks kip, im waiting for it :P

awasama- well... 2gb is really...humm...huge! i'll see what i can do to convert vids, or if I can get information...

any of you guys have MSN or AIM?
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From: Pikachelsea | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:52:52 PM
So (if I read this right) there are videos of someone doing the triple bomb jump? I'd like to see that... are they online? If not, when? If so, where?
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:54:28 PM
y'gotta admit, that's creative. :)

I believe DEVILBIT was able to triple bomb jump and then morph in midair to catch one of the lower, slanted ledges of rock nearby, and then jump to safer ground from there before sliding off. The really tricky part about it is that he did this from on top of a small brown rock near the ship, and it's difficult just to stay on top of it while in ball form without rolling off, much less tbjm off of it. kip's come close, but I don't think anyone else has duplicated that success yet.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:56:47 PM
So (if I read this right) there are videos of someone doing the triple bomb jump? I'd like to see that... are they online? If not, when? If so, where?

none online yet. working on it. hopefully someone can get it done sooner than later. kip is a likely candidate, but says he has some questions about video capture that he needs to find someone knowledgeable to answer first.
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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/27/2003 4:59:22 PM
I have AIM! Just put in my GameFAQs account name!

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From: Sir Teddious | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:07:21 PM
I doubt you can get the Plasma beam before Flaagara because you wouldn't last long in Magmoor without the varia suit and you would need the boost ball and the Space jump too.
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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:08:41 PM
And people doubted we could get the plasma beam before thardus, too :)
From: Sir Teddious | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:10:33 PM
but at least you have the varia suit. THE VARIA SUIT IS KEY.
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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:10:51 PM
I really think you would die in the time it takes to get tha plasma beam if you didn't have the Varia suit...

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From: Sgt johnson | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:12:19 PM
To get the grav. suit and ice beam you need code skills and a code breaker or gameshark. to execute the tbj:release a bomb in the half point of a normal bomb. Repeat this 3times to do a triple bomb jump.
From: wizzlefoshizzle | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:12:47 PM
yea i've followed this topic from the beginning and i would like to try getting space jump before flagragha but i could use some clarifacation on how it might be done. if devilbit could lend us some advice maybe someone else could duplicate it and maybe try a magmoor run with the space jump
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:14:50 PM
"I doubt you can get the Plasma beam before Flaagara because you wouldn't last long in Magmoor without the varia suit"

that's the problem right now, best anyone ever did was tim getting into monitor station (still a while to go from there, need like 2 more tanks and space jump)). and that was on normal IIRC with 3 tanks. i've gotten almost through the door to monitor station but the energy just doesn't last.

still if you could get through it would be easy to have all the beams at flaahgra, use power bomb on him, kill him last (last before ridley that is), etc.

regardless, varia suit couldn't be skipped since the sunchamber artifact apparently won't appear until flaahgra is dead. but i was always curious what the other beams would do to him... guess we may never know.
From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:17:10 PM
I admit... it would be fun to burn that flower!

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From: Sir Teddious | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:21:44 PM
YOU COULD (concerning the plasma before flaagara) go to Magmoor through the Root Cave entrance and it would take less time, BUT it would still take some time to get to the top and then get out which would suck if u had it and were leaving and died at the elevator >:-O
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:24:43 PM
OK guys, I went ahead and scripted out the path starting with getting the Gravity Suit and proceeding to Thardus. Tell me if this looks good (this is approximately for 100%, btw).

get Gravity Suit
Return to Transport to Magmoor Caverns.
Get Energy Tank from Workstation puzzle.
Head to Geothermal Core and Space Jump to the Plasma Beam.
Return to Phendrana and get Energy Tank from Transport Access.
Waste Thardus w/ Plasma.
Return to Ice Ruins West and get PB Expansion.
Return to Ice Ruins East and get 2x Missile Expansions.
In Phendrana Shorelines, get the Missile Expansion there, as well as the Artifact of Sun from the Chozo Ice Temple.

Return to Magmoor using Transport Tunnel A
In Monitor Station, get Artifact of Strength and PB Expansion.
Drop to bottom and go through Shore Tunnel, Power Bombing to get Ice Spreader.
Continue on to Tallon Overworld and get to Frigate.

Before entering Phazon Mines, Spider Ball up and get X-Ray Visor, Artifact of Chozo, and Missile Expansion.
Then make it a single trip through the Mines to get to the Omega Pirate.

Sound pretty feasible? I have to go home tonight and use my little alotted free time to see if this can be done.

-Tim
From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:27:18 PM
If most people who normally post here aren't at school or work, I'd be seriously confused, and probably end up hitting myself on the head repeatedly with the empty 1 gallon milk bottle (plastic) thing while yelling again... and I have done it before... If I do it without the yelling, it really hurts...

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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:27:47 PM
Oh, I also saw this in an earlier post regarding Plated Parasites. By getting Plasma early, this makes the Furnace room the ONLY place you can scan them. They won't appear in the Geothermal Core, nor will the alternate music cue when you're busy setting up the platforms. I'm not sure if this qualifies the Plated Parasites for the one-time scan category or not, seeing you can always backtrack and get them. But it was pretty cool the first couple times not having to avoid those annoying Parasites on the SB track...

-Tim
From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:30:58 PM
That was my post!

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From: vandalr949 | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:32:37 PM
just thinking...

if you somehow managed to get the space jump before the varia suit... AND the gravity suit before the varia suit, would heat still drain energy from you??

*now accepting bets in cash form*
From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:34:14 PM
I'd say no.

*Puts up $3.50(tree fitty)!*

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From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:35:11 PM
Okay, not to be a newbie, but I'm gonna start trying some speed runs on Normal, any%, and I was wondering if someone could explain a couple things. First of all, how exactly do you get to the top of the geothermal core without grappling beam and tbj. 2nd of all, could someone tell me a place that I could easily practise the tbj, and get up a ledge? A ledge that can't be gotten up with doulbe bomb jump or anything, but someplace that I can practise without being bothered. Thanks much! ^_^
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:36:25 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the cold also drains your energy, since the Varia Suit is supposed to protect you from extreme heat AND cold. None of us have gotten far enough to try it yet; as Kip mentioned, I got into Monitor Station with just over an Energy tank left, and the remaining distance to cross added up with the four Defense Turrets make it nearly impossible - to say nothing about attempting the ET in Transport Tunnel A to refill...

-Tim
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:36:37 PM
zell, i sent the thing from a friend's email account, let me know if you get it. =]

also sir teddious, all those tests were from using the root cave entrance yeah; if you use the chozo ruins one you'd be lucky to make it past the second room because it feels like you burn more rapidly for some reason. root cave entrance only has you going through 5 rooms to get to phendrana's elevator anyway, but no one is still able to do it.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:38:46 PM
if you somehow managed to get the space jump before the varia suit... AND the gravity suit before the varia suit, would heat still drain energy from you??

My guess is it still would, because you can get the Phazon suit before picking up the gravity suit, and if you go underwater with phazon before getting the grav suit you still move slowly/have reduced vision. I'm betting the same logic applies with varia.

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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:40:41 PM
Funkytoad:

To get the Plasma Beam early, you have to get to Geothermal Core by accessing the lift after Thardus. The best way is to get the Ice Beam early and use it to leave the Research Labs. Next you can enter Quarantine Cave the back way and get to the Transport. head down to Geothermal Core and cross to the other side of the room. Look for a boulder to the right of the door, and jump on it. Turn to the right to see a metal box sticking out of the wall. Space Jump to it, then nimbly hop to a rock spire in front of you, and Space Jump to the first platform. Activate the disks, and when you get to the SB Track, you can Space Jump to a small indentation in the track, and then Space Jump again to get to the top and use the Bomb Slot.

Finally, you have to jump off the Magnetic Rail track to a very small ledge running along the wall, which you can use to Space Jump to the ledge leading into the Plasma Beam room.
From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:40:42 PM
I forgot: does the room before the Monitor Station have lava in it?

If not, you could shoot the first 3 turrets with missiles from behind the door.

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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:43:16 PM
time becomes a problem though, hanging around outside the door shooting those turrets. it's hard enough making it to monitor station as it is; tim's attempt is amazing. I can't make it farther than the tunnel before that.
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:43:29 PM
Kip, all tests seem to indicate that the deeper you get into Magmoor (and closer to the Geothermal Core), the faster you burn. The physics they programmed into the game is quite amazing, even a small detail as losing energy faster the hotter it gets...

-Tim
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:44:20 PM
there's lava in shore tunnel but you can't touch it and take damage at that point in the game... regardless it's not a cool room so this is a common point where people run out of enegry.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:46:45 PM
um, thanks for starting the topic? -.-

i didn't get a chance to post anything from the previous topic at the very beginning, so once again, people will have to search for topics.

kip- at this point i still can't confirm a 27% game. I can't quite get that jump, and don't know at which point to pivot the turn for maximum distance. DEVILBIT could have been using L lock strafe for all we know. *sigh*

i see his post now in the old topic but, not sure what *looking down* means.

And please repost your *plasma before thardus method*
i haven't tried since last night but, i still couldn't get up to the track.
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:52:57 PM
by looking down i think he meant looking down and locking with L so you know you're jumping at the absolute edge of the mushroom, then he let go and did that turn... i keep hitting the tip of the last mushroom but i can't get on.

devilbit, did you actually make this jump before? just wondering cuz 27% may not be possible if you didn't.
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/27/2003 5:55:57 PM
OK, as you all know, my speed guide shoots for the complete 100%.

Let me see if I have everything down so I can piece it back together tonight and send it to GameFAQS within the next day or so.

Ice Beam, Gravity Suit, Plasma Beam before Thardus.
Power Bomb immediately after that.
X-Ray Visor before entering Phazon Mines.

Is this a quick summary of what we have so far?

-Tim
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 6:05:37 PM
(repost mostly):

ok, plasma beam before thardus:

1) go get ice beam with tbj, go to frozen pike through the back way in pirate base (get gravity suit if you like)

2) go to magmoor elevator, go to geothermal core

3) use amasawa's method of space jumping to the first spinner platform

4) when you get to the spinner with a spider ball track, space jump on the bump of it, then space jump again to land on the upper part of the platform (might take a few tries)

5) after you make the big spider ball track appear, jump on top of the first track piece, then turn and look at the ice door that goes to the plasma beam (move near the wall too)

6) run off or space jump off toward the door. you will land on a thin metal line that goes across the room. walk to the last few pieces of track (the square shaped ones you can move all the way around with the spider ball).

7) find the lowest track piece (with a light bulb looking thing sticking out), then jump against the wall to give yourself extra height, then space jump and land on the top part

8) space jump to the top of the next highest piece, repeat until you're at the last one. space jump to the ice door. once you have plasma beam, do whatever.

if you have trouble getting up the spinner platform with the track: just keep trying. time your second jump differently. etc.

if you have trouble with step 7: just keep trying. jump against the wall and move around wildly to get more height, just experiment a lot. you can try again immediately after failing at least, you shouldn't be falling in the lava or anything.
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 6:10:12 PM
"Let me see if I have everything down so I can piece it back together tonight and send it to GameFAQS within the next day or so.

Ice Beam, Gravity Suit, Plasma Beam before Thardus.
Power Bomb immediately after that.
X-Ray Visor before entering Phazon Mines.

Is this a quick summary of what we have so far?"

all the discoveries? there's also ridley before omega pirate which amasawa found out years ago. also wavebuster before thardus, wave beam before space jump (unconfirmed though), space jump before flaahgra. and of course no thermal, and i suppose no grapple either...

this thread is already 50 posts, at this rate we will have to make a new topic every couple days.
From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/27/2003 6:24:14 PM
You have probably already had this idea, but just in case:
when trying to get above the spiderball track "wall" in the Sun Tower, have you tried tbjing from a bit below the blockage? Maybe from there you won't bounce out wards... good luck, and if you've already tried this, then my apologies ;)

PS: I have been reading the last post since it started and, just like everyone else, I am in awe.

PPS: Kip, someone mentioned your name in a "You know you're GOOD at MP when..." topic... just thought you might be interested to hear it.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 6:26:35 PM
kip- i'm going to spend the rest of today and tomorrow compiling every trick we've found onto a web site. Do you guys have aim so we can create complete trick lists that i can post?
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 6:29:03 PM
hmm i think banks has tried that, it's very good thinking though. if we can just get up to the sunchamber without the super missile you'd have instant 25% right there (probably 26% if it turns out devilbit didn't actually get past fungal hall A without grapple beam).
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 6:31:54 PM
zell's already doing that... maybe we should just wait for him. (shrug)
From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/27/2003 6:51:08 PM
Hi. heres how youll make the fungal jump always. Read my next post.
From: Footbal550 | Posted: 1/27/2003 6:55:50 PM
I'm trying to do triple ball jump. Could anyone post a link or whatever which shows this "video"? Thanks a ton
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From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/27/2003 6:59:52 PM
If you look down at angle and lock your view with L, youll have an advantage for the jump. heres how:
Fix the like i said.
1- jump and then release L, this causes your view to spring center, the side effect for this is that you gain more reach.
2- For the next tap of B do the turn thing (like tale whiping). I have already explained that part on the first topic.
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:00:00 PM
Dont know if you guys had trouble with this in Geothermal Core. When you're at the before-last spinner, you have to space jump up the spider ball track to the next level. it's a tight jump, but I found a way to do it easily (I did it 9/10 with it)

double jump on the little bump in the track, put your back against the track. Now hold back, jump, just before the peak, rejump then press Forward... it's almost guaranteed you'll make it... before I used to press nothing until the peak of my 2nd jump, then press forward... and I never made it like that O_o just thought I'd let you know.

Banks- I already started compiling everything in a website (working on a design and kip sent me all the tricks in a text file) but we can work together if you want, i really don't mind. it would be stupid to do that twice :P
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From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:06:14 PM
With this im able to do it almost 100%
From: Gold Leader | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:10:13 PM
I'll help you guys when I can. I can't nail down the tbj yet, but practice makes perfect. two Questions, how do you get the wave buster before thudus? and is it any good? (on thudus)
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From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:13:35 PM
wavebuster before thardus from notes:

"This one is pretty simple. After you get the Boost Ball, Space Jump, and Wave Beam, go to Ruined Shrine in Chozo Ruins, which is where you got the Morph Ball. Boost ball up to the hole where the spider ball track to the purple door begins, but don't go in that hole.

Instead, take a look at the part of the track which is down from the ceiling and looks like you could land on it. Go to the edge and jump off to the track, then space jump right as you reach it. If done correctly you'll land on it. Then just space jump again to the purple door and get the Wavebuster as it's normally done."

let me know if that made any sense.
From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:16:22 PM
I've actually done that before.

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From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:16:32 PM
If you need more explaining, ask away. Note my response is slow cause i use DreamCast.
Remember angle the view down, lock with L, then jump then release L, B and quick turning.
Try to modify the timing of the L release for different results.
From: keybladeswordsman | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:16:53 PM
Getting the wavebuster before fighting thardus?
I'm skeptic but I like the impossible things to be possible

For those of you who want to go to the sunchamber without the super missile should try the back way and burn the roots with the plasma beam.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:22:48 PM
DEVILBIT- ok sweet, i think i can work better with that.

zell- sure if you want, i have free hosting from my friend's site at www.noodlez.org
It would just be like www.noodlez.org/metroid or whatever we wanted it.

kip- if you could email that txt file at banks@noodlez.org
and i could put it up right away.

and kip, you didn't like my artifact order?
Let me repost it and see what's wrong with it /shrug
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:27:41 PM
I'm going to go try and confirm 27% with DEVILBIT's method.
And i'd like to know everything that needs to be included with the site. thx
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:31:36 PM
And about the sunchamber: after my testing, i think the super missile and charge beam will be required until some way of avoiding flaaghra is found.

and DEVILBIT: getting the space jump before flaaghra didn't disable taking damage in magmoor caverns, correct?
From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:36:51 PM
Didnt try that. Everything concerning that was in my early SP topic.

BTW, i have toyed with EVERYTHING and only that litle rock gave me the honey.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:37:08 PM
Zell: my aim is BanksOTC (was Banks17 but forgot the pw and it was on auto-save t_t)

anyone else can aim me if they need help too
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:40:55 PM
hey zell, can you send that to him?

also... the artifact order seemed fine to me, but there are a few strange things. i read some talk about getting the spirit artifact on the way to the gravity suit but how would you do that unless you had a power bomb expansion/the power bomb.

the time the chozo artifact is gotten also leads me to believe that's only if you're skipping the frigate?

oh and what do you think about getting all those chozo ruins artifacts before x-ray visor like in the post? you wouldn't be able to see them all the time so it'd take longer to beat them... but would it really be that much more time that it wouldn't be worth it? hard to tell.

i'm trying to establish a good order for hard 27% speed run (assuming you also do ice beam + grav + plasma before thardus), but i don't know what to do anymore.
From: the forsaken soul | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:47:46 PM
the following is a web of the currently achieved tricks as far as I can remember.

note: start from the triple bomb jump and work out.

WEB (1)
wave beam before space jump(unconfirmed)
.......................................\............................
........................................\..........................
.....................................Triple Bomb jump
......................................./.....................\
....................................../.......................\
Space-jump before Flaggra*.......................ice beam before Thardus,
.........../..... ...................................................../........................\
........../....... .................................................../..........................\
through Magmoor w/o Varia(?)**....plasma beam before Thardus ......gravity suit B4 Thardus
............................................................./
............................................................/
...............................................Power bombs before Thardus
........................................................../
........................................................./
......................................X- Ray before Thardus

* has only been achieved by one person to date
** is theorized to be possible, but has not yet been achieved

other tricks:
no thermal visor(no extra prerequisites),
fight Ridley B4 Omega Pirate(no extra prerequisites),
no grapple game(uses Devilbit space jump extension + TBJ to get through Fungal Halls & metroid quarantines)
Wavebuster before Thardus (through use of space jump in Ruined Shrine)
From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:47:54 PM
hey, just so you know: my friend in pittsburgh got to the phendrana elevator, and when he entered the shoreline walkway or whatever it's called, he froze (like by thardus or the sheegoths) and never unfroze. during that time, he took damage VERY SLOWLY

oh yeah, he got the energy tank... that's what saved him. he had about 8 points left when he snagged it....
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:50:02 PM
Hmm, i didn't know that you needed the power bomb for one of the artifacts in phendrana drifts. Since we've decided that the best way to go on a speed run is to go through the frigate so you can use the save point in the invis drone room, (not to mention extra pbombs for the emtroid prime fight) we might have to swtich up the order. I'll check it out after i confirm fungal hall a.

But kip!!! i still can't get to that lowest part of the track. I can make the space jump to the lowest platform, and the space jump on the track bump 100% now, but for the life of me i don't understand how to get to that track. I think one of your previous posts mentioned you locked L to use it, but i'm having insane amounts of trouble =(
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:51:52 PM
did he do anything special to get past any rooms? it's 5 rooms so, any chance of a quick walkthrough? also did he have space jump or not to help out with it.
From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:54:32 PM
Good compilation Forsaken.

But like said before : Theres no need to TBJ to pass the fungal halls or the Quarentine. Just space jump.
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:57:35 PM
sorry, i'm not sure what i should say since i can't make a video, you're not trying to land on the light bulb right? because i don't think you can without sliding off. amasawa made it to plasma processing, and zell might have he got past the spinner platform apparently, tlj also made it up: you guys have anything to say about it? =[
From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:58:52 PM
he had space jump boots (after his like, 10 millionth try... no, exaggeration on the number) and here's all he told me:

he entered through root cave entrance (duh) and only jumped, constant fire of missiles at everything, sucked in all powerups, and like i said, BARELY got the energy tank. oh yeah, he said that the tunnel was super hot (the energy tank one). Also, it was his 4th try, so he knew what to do. He blasted the turrets with missiles, then quickly regained his health with the crates. And according to him (he makes stupid jokes) "Lo and behold" 3 of the crates had (what else) ultra energy. he got REALLY lucky. maybe some 1 else can. I can't, i just gave up. It's his only game for gamecube, so he doesn't have to remember his controls. he says that it's impossible on hard, and also, he says his first metroid prime disc was broken, somehow, when he tried the Phazon Suit before thardus. he is a master at tbj. if you have a question for him, i can call him...
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 7:59:40 PM
DEVILBIT, in fungal hall A, which mushroom do you jump from to reach the one at the door?

.........*
....O
....o
.....O
.......O

The ascii crap above is a bad attempt to duplicate the arc of giant mushroom where the glider circles. The * represents the mushroom right in front of the goal, and the O are the other mushrooms that are closest to it. Which of the other mushrooms should I jump from? Does DC allow you to copy/paste easily? cuz if you can, duplicate the drawing above and replace the correct 0 with an X or something.

Thanks in advance.
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From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:01:34 PM
to answer your question, jump on the mushroom left of the door.... i think.... try it!
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:04:37 PM
he got ultra energy from a crate? do you know which one/what room? i hope it's not just random whether you get it... i was always curious if you could get ultra energy from crates there, if you can that would help out a lot.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:09:21 PM
Lol, it seems with DEVILBIT's L lock look down space jump, i now get to Watch myself fall off of the platform even though i appear to have made the jump. =p
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:11:43 PM
banks, I had trouble with the same space jump but did eventually make it. It is tricky for me and I've only gotten it once, so I can't say much for the consistency yet. Here's what I did when it finally worked:

1. Lock in place with the L trigger and look straight ahead at the wall, standing just below and to the right of the square spider ball section you want to jump up on.

2.During your first jump of the space jump, push forward against the cave wall, and just before the second, start pulling backward away from the wall.

3.During the second jump, start pushing forward toward the wall again and to the left to try to land on the spider ball track. Don't push too far to the left though, or you might overshoot your landing spot and wind up falling all the way to the bottom again.

Other tips:

- Yes, it's possible to jump on top of the big square section against the cave wall. It doesn't look like it most of the time when you space jump, but somehow you can get a lot more height out of the jump sometimes. Maybe it has to do with what you were saying before about the B button timing; I can't seem to find anything that consistently makes the jump higher for me though. Don't try to land on the big post sticking out of the middle, just ignore it and/or push against the right side of it when you're jumping

- Hold the L trigger the entire time. It makes it more difficult to overshoot your target and fall to the left. You might want to try aiming your line of sight up or down a little to help see the platform you're aiming for; whichever seems more natural to you. As long as you're facing forward while locked in place with the L button (i.e. facing toward the cave wall) you should be okay.

That's all the advice I can offer you based on my own success. Hope it helps; good luck!

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From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:14:52 PM
also to do phazon suit before thardus you have to be able to pass that spider track in metroid quarantine A, do you know how he did it? i know how to get from bottom to top of phazon processing center without spider ball but i have no idea about the track in the quarantine A.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:15:50 PM
just one more thing to mention that might help: Out of all the suggestions I've given you, the one I'd try varying first if you can't get it to work is the length of time and point of the space jump that you're pushing forward and away from the wall. Literally try pushing forward and back quickly and in different orders, trying to be careful that you don't push TOO far back before you land on the thin ledge again if you miss landing on the spider ball track.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:18:02 PM
also to do phazon suit before thardus you have to be able to pass that spider track in metroid quarantine A, do you know how he did it?

I didn't think anyone had confirmed getting the phazon suit before Thardus yet. I do know that I confirmed that you could get it before getting the gravity suit, though, in which case you have the spider ball and passing the point in metroid quarantine A is not an issue.
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From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:18:38 PM
Amasawa.
On fungal A jump from the one previous to the fungie before the door. Like you normally do.

Sorry, cant copy paste.

If you get the technic youll easily do it.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:20:41 PM
Kip- i'm pretty sure that metroid A is impossible to do without the spider ball. But i'd love to hear how that guy's friend did it if he did =\
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:35:22 PM
As kip mentionned, I got up there in Geothermal Core, but I couldn't get on the spiderball square thingy... the first 2 steps are very easy (Amasawa's jumping and the space jump up the top spinner) but the space jump from the thin ledge going around the room... couldn't do it... yet...

I have been working on the site, but I don't have access to my computer until tomorrow or maybe just wednesday, so before I make a website that "looks" nice.. it will take maybe a week or so.

The first version of the site is up! wo0t! Go see it, read it, give comments, ideas, etc... all the text was written by kip (applauses) and the cool design! was done by me! (applauses) and as you all know, the discoveries were made by all of you =D congratulations!

http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/

that is the URL of the future. Where everything starts, and where everything will finish... meh i don't know what i'm saying anymore O_o! Uh.. the "skip grapple beam", "ridley before omega pirate" and "space jump before flaahgra" sections are not quite done yet... I'd need confirmation and tricks for all of these.

Also, if some of you could take pictures or such? I'll try doing some of the Thermal Core things for the jumping sequences and such, but if Amasawa could re-post the URL from his site (pics against Thardus) i could add them to the site.. post your ideas! =D
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:40:32 PM
forgot... Banks, if you still want kip's file, tell me i'll send it (but it's all copy/pasted in the site).. and i would prefer hosting it on my website because I can upload when I want to.. unless your friend gives me access to the FTP to upload ;) it could be nice because we could both upload stuff, news and such ;) and maybe there would be no advertising?!
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:46:23 PM
Kickass, zell and kip! That looks like it will be very useful. I've been trying to get people at IGN to take notice and get involved but so far only a few people have responded. I'll mention this site for sure and see what happens.
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From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:46:32 PM
i thought you were going to paraphrase me, lol. please do me a favor and clean up anything that isn't explained well (perhaps part of plasma beam before thardus or something, since some people have trouble getting up to the square shaped blocks). or anything that could be better.

i know somewhat how amasawa fought ridley before omega pirate but not exactly how, so i think we should just get that from him. also did you guys ever make it up the ice temple without space jump? i'd try it but i can't even get in there.

and space jump before flaahgra isn't very detailed because i didn't think you'd post it like that... uh it's just about somehow getting enough height to not slide off. =]
From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:48:10 PM
BTW, is fungal A the only room that presnts the problem? Have everyone mastered the Quarentine?

Besides this, is there other place you need graple.
(im aware of plasmaB and artifact but those has been bypassed)
From: Dark Mewtwo | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:49:41 PM
After doing extensive thinking... I have come to the conclusion that you can get into the Main Quarry of the Phazon Mines WITHOUT the Gravity Suit.

Now if it's actually possible, or I'm just nuts, is up to whoever tries it... 'cause I'm not.
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From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:52:18 PM
not sure about the others but the room before omega pirate is no problem for me, i got it first try. no problem with phendrana's edge and getting plasma beam either.

besides those and fungal hall A i don't remember grapple being used anywhere else. but a quick 27% run by someone just to make it 100% official would be cool.
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:54:43 PM
Amasawa- Thanks =D It's a very basic design, yet it took over an hour to do... it was worth it ;)

kip- Hehe, well I'll probably rewrite sections, use more in-depth descriptions, but I haven't done half of the things on the site..! I still have trouble to do a very large tbj (I can do one easily, but one that would get in the Furnace... not really!)

if some of you guys want to write parts of the site or whatever, just tell me.. or email me, I'll gladly upload them!
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From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:56:04 PM
is that through the frigate? cuz it's easy to go to main quarry with varia suit if you enter the back way with a power bomb expansion.

also didn't amasawa say it's apparently still needed to get the lifegiver artifact (for now).
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:56:31 PM
After doing extensive thinking... I have come to the conclusion that you can get into the Main Quarry of the Phazon Mines WITHOUT the Gravity Suit.

Yeah, you can do that. I've tried and confirmed fighting Omega pirate without getting the gravity suit. You do have to go through water near the spider ball column in order to do it, but for some reason, you don't get weighed down there even without the gravity suit. It'd be impossible otherwise.
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From: the forsaken soul | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:57:45 PM
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:58:41 PM
DEVILBIT: i'm not too concerned with that room. I found another way to get by it, but it involves going into the phazon pit. You go into it, look for the phazon piece farthest to the right of the pit. You jump on it, face towards the part of the ledge that comes out most, and then do a quick space jump over it. Very easy =p

BUT I STILL CAN"T GET THAT FUNGAL A JUMP #@)$(*#@)($*
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 8:59:53 PM
DEVILBIT, thanks for the info. I'll keep trying and pester you if I don't have any luck. =)

zell99 and kip: sure, I can write up a blurb on fighting Ridley before Omega pirate that you can then edit or post as you please. I'll get to that in a little while and email it to you zell, is that cool?
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:00:56 PM
Zell- msg me on aim and i can write walkthroughs for the triple bomb jump and whatever else is needed. AIM: BanksOTC
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:02:52 PM
and hopefully OSoftheHoltLutra will tell us how to get past metroid quarantine A without spider ball, and anything he knows about getting ultra energy from crates in magmoor.

then maybe we could get to see phazon suit before thardus/flaahgra for ourselves which would be cool. =]
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:04:09 PM
kip- go download aim immediately ok? You too amasawa
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:07:22 PM
if Amasawa could re-post the URL from his site (pics against Thardus) i could add them to the site.. post your ideas! =D

sorry, I missed this in the frenzy of posting. sure, here's the links to images from geocities that you can use until someone gets some better ones. I suggest stealing them and hosting them on your site, since the bandwidth maxes out on geocities fast.

Thardus Pics

Samus wearing the gravity suit facing Thardus:
http://www.geocities.com/amasawa42/MPGravSuitAtThardus.jpg

Using the wavebuster on Thardus:
http://www.geocities.com/amasawa42/MPWaveBusterAtThardus.jpg

Using the ice beam on Thardus:
http://www.geocities.com/amasawa42/MPIceBeamAtThardus.jpg

Facing Thardus without the thermal visor (look at the visor select crosshairs):
http://www.geocities.com/amasawa42/MPIceBeamAtThardus2.jpg

Unusual morph ball pics

Samus in the Hall of Elders without the spider ball:
http://www.geocities.com/amasawa42/MPStatueWOSpiderball.jpg

Samus in morph ball mode (sans spider ball) about to pick up the wavebuster:
http://www.geocities.com/amasawa42/MPWaveBusterWOSpiderball.jpg

Samus in morph ball mode (sans spider ball) about to pick up the ice beam:
http://www.geocities.com/amasawa42/MPIceBeamWOSpiderball.jpg

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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:08:34 PM
phazon suit before thardus/flaahgra would be more than cool.. more like INSANELY NICE.. *calms down*
amasawa- yeah if you write this, email it to me no problem! it would be really nice of you ;)
banks- i can't AIM you yet.. i dont have my computer until tomorrow night. and the tbj technique was written by kip already..

i just thought i could take pics of the tbj at each step.. maybe it could be useful? i also thought it could be good to write down all the items and why they can't be skipped, that way we could keep track of them.. uh-huh... i don't know why but i can't wait to have my computer back :/

kip + amasawa + devilbit + tlj = do you have MSN or AIM!!??
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From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:09:12 PM
*wonders what thardus looks like in x-ray view*
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:10:21 PM
aim tends to cause problems on my POS computer and I'm very lazy about trying to optimize it. Is there any way I can cop out of getting AIM without hurting anybody's feelings? <:-)
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From: Dark Mewtwo | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:11:37 PM
Yeah, you can do that. I've tried and confirmed fighting Omega pirate without getting the gravity suit. You do have to go through water near the spider ball column in order to do it, but for some reason, you don't get weighed down there even without the gravity suit. It'd be impossible otherwise.

Er... not what I meant, but my way requires the Plasma Beam and 2 PowerBombs. Doing so allows you to get the PowerBomb upgrade and the Grapple Beam before ever setting foot in the Main Quarry.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:17:35 PM
hmm, guess I'm not sure what you're referring to then, Dark Mewtwo. I think I need a new brain battery or something.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:18:22 PM
Well zell, since kip wrote the tbj method -.-
what still needs to be written?

and i still can't confirm the jump in fungal hall A =(
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:20:14 PM
And someone should try getting by metroid quarantine A without the spider ball for any chance of phazon suit > thardus.
From: kip | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:22:42 PM
if someone does do that, i'll repost how to get out of phazon processing center without spider ball (to magmoor), or maybe amasawa can explain it if he remembers. =]
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:24:24 PM
well, fungal A is depressing me so, i'm going to mess around in metroid quarantine a for a bit T_T
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:31:09 PM
maybe amasawa can explain it if he remembers. =]

LOL. No, I'm copping out of that one for sure. That method was COMPLICATED (although no doubt effective). I don't know how you manage to figure some of this crazy **** out! =)

after all is said and done we're gonna have to compile a list of "kip's 50 other secret tricks discovered while trying to break the game" =D
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:33:27 PM
kip- i have a lead that might get somewhere if you try to. one metroid quarantine A, once you get up to the spider ball platform, power bomb the wall to get to that other spider ball track, then take the xray platform to the top of the next pillar. From here, i'm trying to double jump to where the pipe meets the wall to see if i can jump further from there to either the door itself, or to some hidden ledge on the wall to get to the door from there.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:35:18 PM
hey, good idea banks. hopefully something will work out; that would be way cool.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:44:19 PM
Ok, i'm pretty sure you can land on the pipe, but it is extremely narrow. I just started using the L-lock down for the jumping and it makes it much easier.
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:44:44 PM
good job Banks ;) to be written, ridley>omega (amasawa's taking care of this one?) skipping grapple beam (how to pass metroid quarantines and fungal halls. I know you're not quite done with this lol) and wave beam before space jump... the methods to get up Phazon Processing and everything that is not yet in the site (even if it's useless up to now) should be on the website.. it could be a quick reference for everyone, instead of always asking kip how he did this, and asking devilbit how he did that, and amasawa how he managed to jump there, and banks how he tbj'ed there... you get the picture ;)

oh.. just to say that I uploaded Amasawa's pictures to the site. =D
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 9:46:41 PM
I've landed on the pipe, but it is extremely hard to see anything because the room is so dark. But it IS possible to get on the pipe. If you see any ledges, Please tell me!
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 10:13:52 PM
I can see a metal grate along the wall right above the two spider ball tracks and i've been trying to space jump onto that. Hopefully i can land on it, if i can, i'd say it is very likely to get phazon suit > thardus. But then i'd have to go and confirm fungal hall >argh<
From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/27/2003 10:15:34 PM
Just keep at it man, keep your eyes on the prize ;)

I'm gonna get to the fungal halls tomorrow and do some testing, hopefully SOMEONE will get something
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 10:25:11 PM
Actually it looks like there's a small ledge to the right wall looking at the door from the pipe. But there's a rock in the way. If i can space jump around it, i think i can make it to the door.
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/27/2003 10:29:40 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if (in a 100% run, not the 27% you guys are shooting for) if it actually wastes more time trying to get Plasma before Thardus...I have a hell of a time Space Jumping up the track whereas getting to the door from the top is pretty much no problem now. I'm going to go back and compare differentiation on the timestamp, since both of my runs involve a quick return to Phendrana to gather some items to eliminate a backtrack later on (and get the PB Expansion).
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/27/2003 10:31:15 PM
Also, did Amasawa ever confirm if the primary PB upgrade is needed to break the Phazon Elite out of the stasis tank in Elite Research? Or will the early Power Bomb work?
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/27/2003 10:35:41 PM
Hey, I just figured something out while trying to get through the upper furnace tunnel, to get the ice beam early. If you hold b and charge your boost while doing the jumps, the jump can be somewhat crappy, and you'll still make it in if you boost at the top. I was trying for about 30 minutes, then as soon as I tried the boost, I got in. This makes it much more practical for a speed run ;p
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/27/2003 10:37:42 PM
ugh, i'm beginning to think that ledge might be a teaser. That is, a slope that you can't get footing on, nor space jump off of =(

So close, yet so far...
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/27/2003 10:56:35 PM
did Amasawa ever confirm if the primary PB upgrade is needed to break the Phazon Elite out of the stasis tank in Elite Research?

No, never did confirm that one. This'd be worthwhile looking into. I don't plan on trying it myself yet; still messing around with jumping in Fungal Hall A, but it'd be worthwhile to check it.

Ok DEVILBIT, I'm getting a little better with this jumping trick, but still a ways off. Using the look down and then lookspring in the the middle of the jump, I can consistently get more length out of the jump, and have been able to benchmark it by hopping back and forth between a couple of other mushrooms where I'd otherwise miss. Unfortunately, I don't think I really understand what you were saying about rotating diagonally during the space jump, and the reference to quake. I've heard of spin-jumping in quake before, and someone's described it previously, but I'm not getting a clear mental picture of what it's supposed to look like. If you could try to explain this part again sometime I'd appreciate it.
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From: s742617000027s1 | Posted: 1/27/2003 11:18:00 PM
I *might* be able to host those pics on my domain (my dad bought a domain). Unless I missed a post, no one has offered to host those pics temporarily or forever. I might be able to host those pics depending on stuff.
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From: ricker04 | Posted: 1/27/2003 11:59:30 PM
To the best of my knowledge, spin jumping from PC FPS are based on the fact that when you jump, the direction of your movement is based on which direction you are facing rather than actual physics. Imagine in real life that you jump forward and in the air you turn 90 degrees to your left. You obviously know that you would still keep going in your initial path. So after you turned to your left, you would essentially be strafing to your right until you landed.

With spin jumping, your movement is determined by your current orientation instead of your initial direction. So whichever way you turned to face, you would start moving in that direction. So in the above scenario, your character would start moving straight and then as you turned so would the movement. The end results would be a curve to the left. That's why in low gravity FPS on the PC, you can corkscrew.

I've done it in Half Life and I hope this explanation is less confusing than it was trying to write it.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 12:03:57 AM
ricker04 : how does that work to Gain Distance as opposed to changing direction? The way DEVILBIT is talking about is using that to get the extra distance needed to cover the gap in fungal hall A. and i'd like to try it to see if i can reach the door from the pipe in metroid quarantine A as well. How do you time the turn, when you are able to use it with 2 consecutive jumps, the 2nd jump being midair, and then ultimately using it to your advantage as to gain more distance than a standard double jump?
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 12:36:18 AM
Okay, I've just typed out what I think is the optimum route for a normal any% speed run...could you guys take a look at it, and tell me if there's anything impossible, slow, etc on it? I'm gonna try it tomorrow I think.

-beat frigate
-get missile launcher
-get morph ball
-get charge beam
-get morph ball bombs
-fight flaaghra
-go through magmoor, grab artifact in pillar, artifact of strength
-get boost ball
-get space jump
-get wave beam
-tbj through furnace, get ice beam
-head back to phendrana
-get to save near thardus
-get super missiles
-go past thermal room
-head to gravity chamber
-get gravity suit
-go to phendrana-magmoor elevator
-get plasma beam
-beat thardus
-go back to ice ruins, get power bomb
-go to ice temple, get artifact of sun
-go to elevator to magmoor(near shorlines, original elevator)
-before going to elevator, go to shore tunnel, get ice spreader
-go to magmoor-chozo ruins elevator
-go to sunchamber, get artifact
-go to tower, get lifegiver artifact/wavebuster
-go back to tallon overworld, landing site, go to frigate crash area, take tunnel up to frigate.
-go through frigate
-in great tree hall, take elevator to chozo ruins south
-get artifact of world from hall of elders with plasma beam
-head back to great tree hall
-go to top, life grove, get x-ray visor, and artifact
-back to great tree hall
-go to phazon mines
-get grapple beam immediately once you get to ore processing
-continue, get power bombs
-continue through mines, all the way to omega pirate.
-beat OP, head back to grab artifact of newborn
-go back to OP room, continue, grab energy tank, continue through mines.
-go to elite research, get artifact of warrior from phazon elite
-go to phazon mines-magmoor elevator.
-from there, go to magmoor-phendrana elevator (the one that brings you close to thardus)
-go to phendrana's edge, get artifact
-go back through thermal visor room, get thermal visor, continue to control tower, get artifact
-go back to elevator near thardus' room, to magmoor
-go to magmoor-tallon elevator
-go to landing site, save, fight meta ridley
-go to crater, save, beat game
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:15:36 AM
I would just like to confirm... 27% GAME!@~!#!@#!@#!

Fungal Hall A jump = NOT A PROBLEM

USE DEVILBIT's Method!@!

Here's what you do:

Lock your L downwards towards the mushroom. Then, look for the corner that is closest to the distant mushroom. Take a few practice starts to get a feel for the edge of the mushroom. You're aiming for the part of the mushroom where the phazon lines form an arch. keep your lock and get a running start off the mushroom. Once you've lifted off, release L before you start your second jump. When you're *ALMOST AT THE PLATFORM* Not Bumping it, Not at the start of your second jump, but ALMOST THERE, you want to Turn Left so that you pivot yourself with your momentum onto that tip of the mushroom. If you need a more clear explanation, feel free to ask but, 27% game is NOW CONFIRMED.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:19:06 AM
Just got back to back jumps using this method! a tip on aiming your jump: Have your crosshairs aimed directly at the apex of the arch and then move it completely straight down. Do this from the furthest tip of the mushroom. That should give you the right angle. Alls you need now is a good space jump and a perfectly time left-turn and you're 27%able like DEVILBIT and i ^^
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:21:54 AM
3 in a row. Follow my method, it's easy!
From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 5:24:57 AM
tim: if you have trouble doing the space jump on the square blocks, then just wait until after thardus while you're on your way to tallon overworld to go to the frigate. go under the lowest block with the light bulb and single bomb up to the bottom side and grab on, then do the rest as normal.

i'll check out quarantine A again i guess. if you can find a way past that, then the only problematic rooms should be ore processing and sun tower.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/28/2003 7:48:16 AM
Nice going banks! Thanks for the tips; it helped me to get a working jump and I made it across to that mushroom twice. I still don't have it quite down pat yet but I think I've got it enough to where I can nail the technique consistently.

The thing that's happened differently when I tried this trick, however, is that when I made the jump, I never turned to the left or right at all. I was using the lookspring a little later in my jump originally, so when I took your suggestion to release the L trigger before starting your next jump, that seemed to be the extra help I needed. It makes me wonder if either a) I could be getting even MORE distance out of my jumps if I was able to use the turning feature correctly, or b) there's a way to get more height/length out of space jumps that can be done by multiple methods of using inertia with the direction Samus is looking in during various points throughout the jump.

Either way, I'm glad there's something that works. Thanks again!
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/28/2003 8:05:15 AM
ricker04, thanks for the explanation. it makes sense to me what you're saying; I'm just not sure how that can be applied to MP to get more distance out of jumps in a few areas, like banks mentioned.

s742617000027s1, if you want to host those pictures I will leave it to you and zell99 to work it out, since he asked for the pics already and I agreed to give them to him. I have no problem with it if he agrees. btw I enjoy listening to TOOL and SoaD too. =)

funkytoad, looks like a good list. thinking about the timing for the thermal visor, it seems perfect since you'll do the least fighting to get it that way. I usually snag it after getting the control tower artifact but I think your way makes more sense.
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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 8:23:25 AM
ok, let's think how we would lower the % again. this is all the remaining items and the places i remember they're needed.

missile launcher: the door going to the artifact temple is missile locked. among other vital doors.

morph ball: required to fit into holes, and i guess use morph ball abilities but we don't know that for sure until someone gets morph ball bombs before morph ball; maybe it lets you use the morph ball if you get any ability.

charge beam: required to fire super missile (it's been tested), which is required to get to sunchamber. we have an obvious 25% if someone can get to sunchamber without using this.

morph ball bombs: required to use devices and get to flaahgra, etc

varia suit: required to survive in magmoor, at least on hard and/or in low %. not to mention the sunchamber artifact doesn't appear until a while after flaahgra's death, so there is no skipping this one, most likely.

boost ball: required to use devices and (supposedly) to get to the life grove/out of the place where you get it.

space jump: if the grapple beam is skipped this is automatically needed unless there's another way past fungal hall A and other rooms. but this seems like one of the more likely items to be left out since no one IIRC has made a concentrated effort to get through without it, substituting space jumps with tbjs and tbjms.

wave beam: needed for wave doors/conduits, but not needed for the wave socket in hall of the elders since there's another way past that.

super missile: required to get to sunchamber. we have an obvious 25% if someone can get to sunchamber without using this.

spider ball: for now this is required in ore processing and metroid quarantine A, but this may change later. it's not needed in phazon processing center even though it looks like it, and the spider ball track in impact crater doesn't have to be used either (i space jump through the phazon all the time, probably could do a tbj also if there's a way to survive long enough).

ice beam: needed for ice doors.

gravity suit: needed to get lifegiver artifact unless someone finds another way.

plasma beam: needed for plasma doors, the plasma socket which leads to the artifact of world, all phendrana artifacts also.

power bomb: needed to get x-ray visor, to enter metroid quarantine A, etc.

x-ray visor: needed to damage omega pirate unless someone finds another way. we're down another 1% if someone does but i don't know how that would happen.

phazon suit & beam: doesn't matter since they don't add % anyway, and amasawa already tried seeing if you still go into hyper mode without the phazon beam; you don't.
From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 8:50:41 AM
couple corrections to that last post: spider ball is also required in sun tower for now, and conduits never actually have to be shot if you skip the frigate and go to thardus the back way. wave beam still needed for wave doors regardless.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/28/2003 8:54:14 AM
It's helpful to see that list; thanks. Pls note spider ball is also required to get to life grove unless someone finds an alternate way up there (spiral spider ball track).

I can't think of anything to break that list right now. It looks downright impossible, but then a lot of things used to look impossible.
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From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:18:51 AM
Hi.

Ok. Early SPACE JUMP confirmed. No glitches so far.

Altough the first time the Talon didnt want to open but i went the other way and got corrected.
From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:24:17 AM
I used the rock method although this time i changed the direction samus was facing.

BTW, this is just a curiosity, just for the sake of having another item out of order.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:49:03 AM
Nice going, DEVILBIT! I'm impressed that you're able to triple bomb jump morph off that tiny rock. I roll off of it every time I try. Are you going to make any attempt to get through Magmoor without the Varia suit?
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From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:58:32 AM
Did with double bomb jump.

I already got varia cause i was going for early wave.

Another curiosity, the last missile at MAIN PLAZA does not need graple. You can space jump to it,
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:02:33 AM
Double off the rock and then a morph to reach that ledge? Is that correct? Cool!

I believe it about the missile exp. With this new space jump distance/height consistent, I think I can reach it easily now. I was trying to get it that way before this tech was nailed down. Can you jump across to the other side where the morph ball tunnel eventually leads into the training chamber from there?
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From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:03:29 AM
Just curious as to how I'm doing in my run so far. I just saved at the ship after getting space jump, and it's 36 minutes. This is a normal any% run btw, and I have 30 missiles, and 3 E tanks.
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From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:04:00 AM
Oh, and I've got the artifact of nature (the one in the column in magmoor).
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From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:08:37 AM
And btw, it's funny that you mention about the missile expansion in the main plaza, because I jumped to it yesterday, and told banks about it on AIM, lol...
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:09:02 AM
That's pretty good afaik. I'm not very good with amount of time it takes doing different things in the game; I just wing it most of the time. I have benchmarked how long it takes to get to the space jump though, and for me anything under 0:40 means I'm doing well, last time I checked. kip probably has a more concrete idea of how fast is fast.
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:19:37 AM
funkytoad- i think you're doing great, even though i haven't attempet a speed run yet.. I know kip was saved in magmoor (after varia suit) in 24 minutes in his hard 28% run..

i wanted to say I was able to get the plasma beam without grapple/spider ball last night.. and it was pretty easy O_o If someone has trouble with the jump up the square track, here's how I did this (based on amasawa's previous post I think): i stand on the little ledge, to the right of the square thing. I look a little left/down (to see where i'll land) and lock the view there with L. I take my first jump going right (not towards the block, you tend to get more height that way and if you go against the block, you get stuck in it) and at the peak, I space jump left going away from the wall just a split second then back forward to the square track. I made it a couple of times like this, I can also do the rest of the room pretty easily. I have videotaped it, I'll try to get it on my computer if you want.. and depending on the size of the file, I might send it to people if they have trouble.

I'll also re-try to get space jump before getting the boost ball.. I have a couple of things to try out..

kip-nice list, it's well done.. I also did it (in history class) but you posted it before me =P I'll add it to the site tonight. i also tried to think of how i could divide the site into sections (i dont like long titles in the toolbar) and i'd need your opinion.. it could look something like this

Main
News
Screenshots
Videos
27% game

Techniques
Double bomb jump
Triple bomb jump
Triple bomb jump morph
Locking your view
Long space jump

Skipping items
Thermal Visor
Grapple Beam

Tricky Rooms
Phazon Processing
Metroid Quarantines
Fungal Halls

Before Thardus
Ice beam
Gravity suit
Plasma beam
Wavebuster

Miscellanious
Wave beam early
Space jump early
X-Ray visor early
Phazon > Grav. suit
Fight Ridley early
Fight Flaahgra last? (why we can't...)
Skip Crashed Frigate

now... there are probably things missing.. i really need your help and opinion here.. ;) oh and there are a couple of things I cant write (especially the tricky rooms) and I suck at writing anyways.. but I'll see what I can do. since i've done the plasma beam yesturday, I'll re-write this section and try to take screenshots.
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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:24:51 AM
"I just saved at the ship after getting space jump, and it's 36 minutes."

it's ok, could be better by about 5-6 min. it helps a lot if you never save at chozo ruins the first time. some of the people in the high score thread would have a better idea, but i know it's possible to be at space jump with 30-31 minutes.
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:37:45 AM
Alright, well I'm continuing regardless, just to get a feel for the run. I just got the ice beam, and I'm saved in the save station off the gathering hall at 55 minutes. Funny thing is, I made the tbj the very first try =D
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:53:26 AM
thanks Kip - I eventually started doing that so as to save the time working around the rest of the track.

Also, it's confirmed - your Power Bomb from Ice Ruins West will NOT break Phazon Elite's stasis tank - for some reason the game gets all picky about you having to fight an Elite Pirate first. So if you want to skip the main PB upgrade (if it's possible), you just have to fight an Elite Pirate first before returning to battle Phazon Elite for the Warrior Artifact.

Great job Banks! On my trips last night through the Mines, I decided to attempt it - and it worked on the third try. Seeing as my grappling attempts were often hit or miss, this is a really good alternate method (especially if you're skipping the Grapple)

-Tim
From: buffytvsfan | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:57:53 AM
Man, I gotta' get done with my first run through the game so I can start pulling my weight around here!!
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:57:59 AM
Funkytoad - 36 minutes for that amount of items is excellent! My timestamps with that same amount varied between 35 and 40 (almost always depended on if I had problems with Flaahgra - for some reason he enjoys ramming me into that thorn vine or into the water :P)

-Tim
From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 11:01:52 AM
help me think of a good artifact order for hard 27% speed run (assuming you are doing ice beam + grav + plasma before thardus). i'm saved after wave beam and i dunno what to do.

i think i will save the phendrana artifacts for late game after omega pirate, but not sure if i should get chozo ruins ones before or after x-ray visor (lots of ghosts to fight so they waste your time without x-ray). already have lava lake and i'm thinking about getting strength on the way to chozo ruins for the ice beam, then again i could save that for late game after ice temple one... not sure if it makes a difference either way.
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/28/2003 11:09:12 AM
Kip, I go this order - and this is using all the tricks we know of to date - minus grapple beam.

Truth
Nature
Sun
Strength
Chozo
Warrior
Newborn
Spirit
Elder
Wild
World
Lifegiver
From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 12:38:00 PM
damn i'm not doing that great. just got ice beam at 48 minutes (with nature and strength so far).

i tried to see if you can get the chozo statue to shoot you up to the door to reflecting pool before the chozo ghost is dead but he won't. i wonder if the door to the reflecting pool is locked until the ghost dies? if it's not you can tbj into the passageway and avoid killing the ghost, save about a minute or minute and a half there.
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 1:34:57 PM
Egh, I'm saved before meta ridley at a poor 2:40 -_-;. This was truly a horrible run ;p I'm gonna try again in a little while, except this time I'll actually restart if I screw something up ;)
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:13:19 PM
Now if someone could just get past metroid quarantine A without using those 2 spider ball tracks, we could get phazon suit before thardus =(
From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:16:24 PM
okay i'm back... who had a question about lance's game? (my friend)
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:18:32 PM
tell me how he got past metroid quarantine A so he could get the phazon suit before thardus and glitch his game -.-
From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:21:04 PM
??? i don't know if he did that....
From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:22:08 PM
also, does he remember the room he got ultra energy in when he was doing the magmoor run? and anything else we don't know would be nice (how to beat game without morph ball etc). =]
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:24:08 PM
Well, I finished at 2:58. I guarantee you my next speed run will be sub 2:40, possibly sub 2:35 or so. Keep your eyes peeled ;)
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:26:01 PM
"and also, he says his first metroid prime disc was broken, somehow, when he tried the Phazon Suit before thardus."

So he doesn't remember how he broke his first metroid prime disk?
From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:33:18 PM
well, kip he got the 3 ultra energies after killing the 3 defense turrets with missiles... in the boxes... in the monitor station... but there's no point in trying. RIGHT when you get into phendrana, you'll freeze. you can't break it with B either, he tried. And your energy drains VERY SLOWLY, like 20 health points every minute. So if you ever get as lucky as him... you'll be sitting (gets out calculator) for around 25 minutes... i think. he went to the bathroom after the first 3. then ate dinner. then.... blah blah blah

his lowest percentage was 28%. His items were

Missile Launcher
Missile Expansion x12
Morph Ball
Charge Beam
Morph Ball Bomb
Varia
Wave Beam
Super Missile
X-Ray Visor
Power Bomb
Plasma Beam
Grapple Beam
Phazon Suit
Ice Beam
WaveBuster
IceSpreader
Power Bomb Expansion x1

i think that's what he had...

he found some kind of "4x bomb jump". like i said yesterday. this is his ONLY game. he practices every day. guess what his job is? he works at an EB near where i live, we live pretty close (shuts up before he reveals TOO much information)
From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:35:33 PM
banks: after his first disk stopped working, he gave up on the theory of Phazon before thardus and just never got the spider ball. of course, it doesn't mean it's not possible... it justs means his disk couldn't hold it. or maybe his memory card... or maybe it's just impossible
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:37:12 PM
You sir, are a liar. Rofl, that's about the 7 billionth time I've heard the excuse "well that's his/my only game, i practise day in and day out, etc". Just because someone plays something every waking minute of their life, doesn't mean they can do impossible things. Ultra energies do not come out of those crates;case closed. Please leave now -_-;
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:39:39 PM
So instead of getting artifacts, he got missile expansions instead? he got a power bomb as well as a power bomb expansion, wave buster, icespreader, and still got 28%? he must have some unbelievable skill with the 4xbomb jump to activate the impact crater temple =X
From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:42:32 PM
mmm, i wouldn't call him a liar just yet. give him a chance to explain things.

but yeah i was about to say the same thing about the artifacts. if you can skip those, why get 12 missile expansions? you could get your % in the single digits maybe.
From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:43:32 PM
he doesn't play it every waking moment, and you really shouldn't call someone a liar unless you know the truth... i saw one of his games.... he had a percent of 27-29%... i actually just guessed at the expansion number and everything else.... and yes, ultra energies CAN come out of normal crates. they're just rare
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:44:03 PM
Zell, whenever you see this, I have a question. Would you be opposed to me taking that stuff from your site, and compiling it into an FAQ for submission here? I think it would be a good idea, and I'll give everyone, including yourself due credit and such. Thanks, cya ^_^
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From: hopesfall | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:44:07 PM
I just cannot get the triple bomb jump down. I've only gotten to the maximum height once and never again. I've been trying for two hours and just can't get it. I just can't hit the fifth bomb.
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From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:44:36 PM
hold it... i'm going to call him and ask for everything. be back in a few minutes....
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:45:43 PM
d00d i saw my friends game and he had like, 8% 2 hour game and iw as like wtf d00dz how u get dat and hes like, d00d cuz i work at EB...
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:46:30 PM
rofl
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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:51:44 PM
keep putting the 5th bomb down earlier and earlier until you can get it to hit you semi consistently. then put it higher (but unless you really know what you're doing, don't put it higher than 50% of the way up).

even if you're experienced at the bomb jump it can be tough to get the last 2 bombs to make you go high enough.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:53:43 PM
Kip- which place did devilbit say you could bypass in the storagecave without using the grapple beam?
From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:56:18 PM
he says that he made up the 4 bomb jump, does not have wavebuster or ice spreader on his 29% percent file, and only has about two missile expansions. has power bomb, no bomb expansions, (the file i've been talking about was his third attempt at 27% sry mistake) anything else i need to inform you about that proves i'm not lying, just made a mistake?
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From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:58:18 PM
Two missiles expansions means 30% at best, because he didn't do it without grapple beam, I'm quite sure =P In fact, I'm sure he doesn't even exist! 8D HAHE ROBBLE ROBBLE
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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:58:35 PM
i don't know if i understand your question. is the storage cave the room with the phazon pit before omega pirate?

if it is, you just get on the platform that you'd normally use the grapple from, then you do that space jump thing (really easy compared to fungal hall A). then you land on the other side of the pit and proceed as normal.
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 2:59:28 PM
Storage cave is the place with the phendrana drift's artifact iirc...
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From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:01:23 PM
you'd bet that, wouldn't you funkytoad... and unless HE'S not telling the truth, everything your calling me a liar for is a piece o crap. i SERIOUSLY do not think he would lie, but he might be... anyways, kip, where do i do a triple bomb jump to get wave beam without space boots?
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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:02:01 PM
that's the other room i was thinking about. but it's just a small room with the artifact. what does banks mean by bypassing a part in there without the grapple beam?

or does he mean phendrana's edge.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:02:10 PM
Sure: explain how the 4x bomb jump, which is impossible, works.

You see, with the triple bomb jump, you use a total of 6 bombs to get maximum height. You place the 1st bomb to start the refill counter, the 2nd and 3rd before it refills, and then your 4th, 5th, and 6th in sequence to achieve the triple bomb jump.

Now a 4x bomb jump would require more than 6 bombs, and therefore would need the your bomb counter to refill while you were in mid air. The only way for it to work would be to have it refill by the time you hit your 5th bomb. But i'm sorry, it doesn't refill until after you've hit your 6th. You can't keep refreshing the bomb counter in mid-air. I'm sorry, your friend and/or you are clearly lying.
From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:03:51 PM
Ahem. banks, read the above post. HE MADE IT UP! his excuse was that "he was testing me" but if funkytoad's right, then i shouldn't listen to 23 year olds....
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:03:57 PM
Um, if i have my names wrong, i'm sorry. I mean the expansion that you need the grapple beam for in phendrana drifts.

The name of the room/place it's at please.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:05:10 PM
Wow, way to waste my time with proving you wrong.

Time to play my 27% game again -_-
From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:06:07 PM
no actually lance proved me wrong... sry about that...
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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:09:20 PM
"where do i do a triple bomb jump to get wave beam without space boots?"

if you mean get in the ice temple, below the floating platform near it (do it from the little ice platform just above the water and tbj then morph out to catch it).

IIRC you can also get to the temple by doing the same thing from either the ledge where you'd normally space jump to the floating platform, or you might be able to do it from the ground near the door to the elevator (tbj, morph out, try to get on the higher ground level where the temple's entrance is).

it's not over once you're in the temple though. IIRC no one actually got to the top without space jump. i'd try it, but i can't even get inside yet (i believe devilbit and amasawa did though).
From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:10:31 PM
thanx G2G
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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:16:38 PM
"I mean the expansion that you need the grapple beam for in phendrana drifts."

oh, you're talking about that power bomb expansion i think right? uh i don't remember devilbit telling me anything about getting up there without the grapple beam, he said how to get up to the artifact.

but i haven't been to that room for a while so that might be the same thing, if there are only those 2 grapple points.

ok anyway... go to the "broken" root bridge about halfway up the room, then look at the door (was it a wave beam door?). you can see a little tree by it, which was directly to your left if you entered the room from that door.

run off the bridge and space jump and land on that tree, then walk up on it slowly (it might not let you if you didn't land on it "correctly"). once you walk up a bit, turn around and space jump to the ledge up there. then you're at where you would be after you used the grapple beam twice.
From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:20:04 PM
and i'm still trying to figure out if it's faster to skip the frigate or not in hard 27% speed run.

yes you skip the frigate (about 4-5 min saved), but there are consequences later with having only 1 power bomb. but i don't know if it's enough to make not doing the frigate not faster or what. i don't care about not being able to use the central dynamo save point, just want whichever's faster in the end.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:20:09 PM
yeah i meant artifact kip

thx~
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:22:44 PM
"but there are consequences later with having only 1 power bomb"

Not to mention the fact that you can't get the artifact of the warrior after killing the elite pirate. Amasawa tested it and he said, you can't bomb open his stasis chamber with the power bomb expansion. He thinks the main power bomb pickup might be the trigger.

But we haven't tested doing it after getting the phazon suit so... *shrug*
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:34:09 PM
*confirms space jump before flaaghra* I just made the double bomb jump off the rock =P
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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:48:32 PM
gj =]

i guess something must make it easier with a double bomb jump, cuz i did tbj for a few hours but i slid off every time i got up when i morphed out. i'm gonna start doing dbj for that one.
From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 3:54:11 PM
*is trying to figure out if space jump before flaahgra is faster than getting it the usual way*

i would guess that it is by about 2 minutes or so. fastest i've ever gotten to tallon overworld and back to phendrana with it was about 6 minutes.

leaving chozo ruins after getting morph bombs and coming back after space jump would take time, but i don't think 6 minutes.
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/28/2003 4:02:45 PM
banks - I think fighting an Elite Pirate is the trigger to getting Artifact of Warrior. Amasawa's right - you can't PB open the tank, but it's either that or the main upgrade, since I fought him on my quick back loop through the Mines today (after getting the main PB and fighting three Elites).

Funkytoad - just about everything here (with a few modifications) is being put into the FAQ I already have done. It's being compiled for the next upgrade.

Is the website up yet? I'd like to link it in my speed guide if possible.

Be back later to check on updates.
-Tim
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/28/2003 4:03:47 PM
banks - I think fighting an Elite Pirate is the trigger to getting Artifact of Warrior. Amasawa's right - you can't PB open the tank, but it's either that or the main upgrade, since I fought him on my quick back loop through the Mines today (after getting the main PB and fighting three Elites).

Funkytoad - just about everything here (with a few modifications) is being put into the FAQ I already have done. It's being compiled for the next upgrade. But if you want to make one detailing just the speed tricks, I don't see what should stop you.

Is the website up yet? I'd like to link it in my speed guide if possible.

Be back later to check on updates.
-Tim
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/28/2003 4:05:29 PM
Grrr...double post ><
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 4:12:23 PM
Hmm if that's the case, then you could get the pbomb expansion in phendrana drifts, go the backway to the phazon mines through magmoor, fight an elite pirate on the way to omega pirate, then double back through the phazon mines to kill the elite pirate that holds the artifact of warrior.

If you did it that way, you might be able to shave some time off by getting the artifact of warrior, exiting the phazon mines the front way, then taking the elevator to the chozo ruins, take the other elevator back out to the crashed frigate site, and then save at your ship in the landing site.

The only problem i can see with that is, if the force field is still up, you can't get out that way. So you'd have to fight the elite pirate then go out via magmoor.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 4:17:18 PM
either way, you're skipping the crashed frigate / beginning of phazon mines.

Actually, the gun turret you have to use to blow the hole in the wall is in the room with the pirate, so eventually you'd HAVE to go through the front way...

But you could get out of ore processing by going through that water room and exiting out the grapple door. Above the force field.

I think that makes sense.

Either way, it looks like it might just be easier to get the main pbomb expansion, because you'll have to go through the front way for the artifact anyways.

But then again, it's 1 trip versus 2. argh, i don't know what's faster t.t
From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 4:35:32 PM
How are you guys dbjing from the rock onto the ledge? Like which way are you facing when you unmorph, if you unmorph at all? I've been trying for a half hour and haven't got it :-\
From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 4:35:57 PM
Oh, this is about the space jump > flaaghra
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/28/2003 4:58:17 PM
I've fought two elite pirates, defeated Omega pirate, and still can't bomb open the statis tank. Even stranger is that the room with the tank is dark now and shadow pirates are all over it. I don't remember that happening before...

There's one more Elite pirate I haven't run into because of the way I've traveled. The only necessary items I'm missing now besides the Warrior artifact are the three artifacts in Chozo ruins and the one at the impact crater plus the power bomb pickup in the central dynamo, so it's looking more and more like the main power bomb is the trigger for the glass tube, which kinda sucks. I never did defeat the shadow drone either, so I may give that a try as well, but it doesn't look very promising. Oh well, I'll keep you posted.
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From: The Leech | Posted: 1/28/2003 5:18:27 PM
Sorry to bother, but how DO you get the plasma beam before thardus?
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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 5:29:38 PM
check page 6, it's the first post if you have it set to 10 per page.

here are zell's tips for some of the parts:

"Dont know if you guys had trouble with this in Geothermal Core. When you're at the before-last spinner, you have to space jump up the spider ball track to the next level. it's a tight jump, but I found a way to do it easily (I did it 9/10 with it)

double jump on the little bump in the track, put your back against the track. Now hold back, jump, just before the peak, rejump then press Forward... it's almost guaranteed you'll make it... before I used to press nothing until the peak of my 2nd jump, then press forward... and I never made it like that O_o just thought I'd let you know."

"i wanted to say I was able to get the plasma beam without grapple/spider ball last night.. and it was pretty easy O_o If someone has trouble with the jump up the square track, here's how I did this (based on amasawa's previous post I think): i stand on the little ledge, to the right of the square thing. I look a little left/down (to see where i'll land) and lock the view there with L. I take my first jump going right (not towards the block, you tend to get more height that way and if you go against the block, you get stuck in it) and at the peak, I space jump left going away from the wall just a split second then back forward to the square track. I made it a couple of times like this, I can also do the rest of the room pretty easily. I have videotaped it, I'll try to get it on my computer if you want.. and depending on the size of the file, I might send it to people if they have trouble."
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 5:41:22 PM
Yeah kip, i finally did that last night. L-lock jumping makes everything so much easier it isn't funny.
From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 5:50:05 PM
Anyone got anything on space jump > flaaghra?

I thought devilbit mentioned he did it with a dbj instead of tbj? I've gotten close but I just can't seem to get enough height with a dbj, and tbj seems nearly impossible... the balancing is insane on that little rock :-\
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 5:57:28 PM
Well,i just saved after getting space jump boots on my 27% run, so i'll see if i can get up there too =p
From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:00:52 PM
Ok, cool :)
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:01:50 PM
kip- if we can get this method down, we should try the "refreshing chozo ghosts in the sun chamber" method again. Maybe having spacejump will make them appear, resulting in a 25 % game
From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:06:11 PM
i'm up for that, i just can't actually get space jump yet, i slid off every time once i landed on the ledge. then again that was with tbj, i didn't try dbj much, which is what devilbit said he used. it seems strange that a dbj could do it and tbj can't though (or at least it isn't easier with tbj; shouldn't it be since it gives more height?).

trying again. visit artifact temple and get truth or not though?
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:08:20 PM
Ok, i have a method for Staying on the rock, lol.

First: L-lock down so you can see yourself jumping onto the rock.

Second: morph into ball mold and hold L to fix the camera on you.

Third: You'll notice you roll slightly to the right on this position, so GENTLY tap left back to keep you on the rock. You only have to do this for about a second so you can place the first bomb.

Fourth: do you double bomb jump as usual, making sure NOT TO ADJUST YOUR POSITION AS THE BOMBS PROPEL YOU UP. You will never get a good double bomb jump this way and will fly off towards the wall.

Doing this, you should be able to get a double bomb jump off most of the time. Now it's up to you to morph out / push forward at the exact moment it's required ;)
From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:09:28 PM
It's definetly possible with a dbj... I just got REALLY close

the key is when you un-morph, I try to do it just before the peak, when samus still has some good velocity from the second bomb

doing it too late results in just falling, not even hitting the ledge :-\

I'm also finding it helpful to hold forward right as you unmorph
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:15:50 PM
i just NAILED IT SO PERFECTLY. I can now confirm DEVILBIT's space jump > flaahgra.

Going to start a new game to test out refreshing the chozo ghosts!

it's like, i flew EASILY above the edge and didn't even have to jump to stay on. Man that felt good ;)
From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:20:36 PM
Has anybody tried getting past the spider ball tracks in Metroid Quarantine B without using the spider ball? If somebody had it and tried to get across without using it, this could be cleared up. Truly, has anybody even thought of those?

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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:22:40 PM
Nice banks :D

Any pointers? I can still seem to get within 3 inches of the ledge 1/5 tries... but never any higher :(

And just to make sure I'm on the right rock (LOL!), it's the one behind the ship, to the ship's right?
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:24:00 PM
Yes i got past metroid quarantine b without the spider ball. I jumped into the phazon pit, and got on top of the piece to the far right, i then double jumped to the ledge. Cake ;)
From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:27:00 PM
Oh, OK.

And kip- Morphball bombs can't be gotten w/o morphball.

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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:29:56 PM
Oh, OK.

And kip- Morphball bombs can't be gotten w/o morphball.

I'm just tryin' to help! I want to be part of something, so, when possible, I'm gonna offer my ideas.

And about trying to hurt OP without x-ray visor, I'm almost at him, and I have the visor, so I'm gonna see where he is with it, then shoot at him with it off! I'm gonna go at it soon.

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:30:10 PM
I'm guessing it's all on the timing of the morph coming off of the 2nd blast, It almost felt as if the blast from the 2nd bomb jump propelled me even though i had switched to the suit. Just make sure you push forward, and morph out right as you hit that 2nd blast. Just got to the tallon overworld, iwll be testing it again soon
From: hopesfall | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:38:14 PM
Ah, is it possible to get back onto the platforms in the Geothermal Core once you've fallen after jumping toward the door where the Plasma Beam is? I just can't seem to make the jump from the spire to the platform.
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From: Diffusion | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:41:53 PM
Ah, is it possible to get back onto the platforms in the Geothermal Core once you've fallen after jumping toward the door where the Plasma Beam is?

Just reset the game, do a TBJM off of the Puddle Spores, or wait until the Grappling Beam. It SHOULD be possible, but it can waste obscene amounts of time doing. Interesting to see you here...

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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:55:15 PM
Why tbjm in there when you can use Amasawa's space jump method? I landed it my first try - it's that easy

Dig around the old thread for it... page 46 or so? Or someone can explain it here... I'm far too lazy
From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:55:51 PM
Actually, I'm pretty sure it's on the site now

http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/
From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 6:59:56 PM
Oh yeah.. now I remember what I was gonna say :P

I'm finding that for the dbj to the space jump ledge, it helps TREMENDOUSLY (sp?) to have the last 2 bombs placed one after the other. Place the first RIGHT when the first one explodes (a'la tbj), and then immmediately mash the A button again, hoping that the second bomb is high enough. This way gives you enough momentum to easily hit the ledge, but I'm still trying to get the unmorph done at the precise time :-\
From: hopesfall | Posted: 1/28/2003 7:00:25 PM
OK, nevermind, I can get back up there. I'm just having trouble getting onto the lowest spider ball track now.
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From: Dragon Master Zero | Posted: 1/28/2003 7:42:30 PM
can anyone help me i'm trying to tbj up to the furnace, but i can never seem to get in the hole i just hit the lip then fall back down.
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/28/2003 7:45:36 PM
Amasawa, banks, kip, everyone else:
It looks like the main PB upgrade is required - I fought all three Elite Pirates and my single Power Bomb still couldn't open the Phazon Elite's tube. Naturally, I restarted, this time grabbing the main upgrade, and no troubles with Phazon Elite...

If you want to sacrifice time and have to leave the Mines for the X-Ray Visor (and not see the uber-cool looking Beta Drone), then you can skip the Phendrana PB Expansion to reduce it down by 1%.

Also, are you guys taking into account the Phazon Suit knocking up at 2%? I hope so, because with exactly 27 items, your percentage will calculate out to 28% due to the Phazon Suit glitch.

I think I might actually try a low percentage run starting tomorrow. Anyone want to outline the method for Space Jump > Flaahgra again?

-Tim
From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/28/2003 7:50:08 PM
Well... I tried locking on to OP in x-ray, then going out to shoot without even releasing L, and it went right through him...

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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 7:51:06 PM
"Also, are you guys taking into account the Phazon Suit knocking up at 2%? I hope so, because with exactly 27 items, your percentage will calculate out to 28% due to the Phazon Suit glitch."

what? 28% was 28% even with the phazon suit (it was more than 28 items)... why would it do something different for 27%? does it have to do with odd numbers?
From: hopesfall | Posted: 1/28/2003 7:52:36 PM
Ok... I just can't jump onto that god damn spider ball track in the Geothermal Core. I've been trying for an hour.
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From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/28/2003 7:52:39 PM
one thing just popped into my mind... about the theoretical 25% game (no super missile/charge) ... against ridley, how will you get him to display his chest in the last "round"? It seems to me that only a charged beam or missile will do the trick, and if you only have 5, I don't know what you'll do, how often does he drop missile ammo?

(Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing, by last "round" I mean when his wings are gone, he mainly rams you and occasionally shoots his beam, at which point a blast to the head will make him show his chest)

Also, another thing to test: You could always try beating the last boss w/o using the charge beam, even if you have it, just to see how hard it is.

Finally, someone mentioned burning the roots blocking sunchamber door #1 with the plasma beam... has anyone tried it yet?

Finally: Kip, I have found a few video-file converters at downloads.com, I can give you the links if you want (this doesn't interfere with gamefaqs TOS, giving download links, does it?)
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/28/2003 7:53:12 PM
About the bomb jumping (and I think Banks has brought this up before as well, so this probably confirms what he's already found himself), it doesn't seem to me to be placement of the bombs that's quite so critical as the momentum you gain after placing the 3rd bomb in the 6-bomb seuqence. If you place it right before you take off, or even off the ground slightly as you take off, the 3rd bomb will send you much higher when in explodes than otherwise, making for a high dbj (which you guys were talking about w/space jump) and a nice high tbj (to easily make it into the furnace or whatever else you're doing)

Just wanted to throw that into the mix. I don't think I'll have a 27% run this time around because of the power bomb expansion problem, so I may go back and mess around with the jump in Metroid Quarantine A again, though I doubt I'll make it; it sounds like banks exhausted that possibility, but I'll see if I have any luck...
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From: Dragon Master Zero | Posted: 1/28/2003 7:53:28 PM
the phazon suit doesnt add percent so if you have 27% you have 28 items it will only add percent once you get 99% then it kicks in instantly so you go from 98% to 100%
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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 7:54:54 PM
tlj- space jump > flaaghra:

1. Find the little rock behind and to the right of samus' ship in the landing site (it's a little bigger than the morph ball and kinda hard to balance on)

2. Jump on top of it and tranform into ball form

3. dbj up the ledge, morphing out of ball form right as the last bomb explodes

I'm not having good luck with this at all... I've made it up to the ledge about 7 times, but I slid off every time
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/28/2003 7:59:02 PM
Ah, so it's that one that I can never balance on... :P

Sorry for any confusion - my head was in the clouds during that last post, and I reverted back to my original thinking that the Phazon Suit counted as 2%, when in reality it's just not counted until the end. My bad...

i.e. 98% + 1 item = 99% + Phazon Suit tallied at the end = 100%.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 8:05:54 PM
x133SeVeNx2: are you holding L when you jump? i did when i first made it up there.

my attempts now have been less successful. I've slid of twice, once with the running animation, once with the gliding animation. I know i didn't have l-locked, and i might have even stopped pressing forward on the 2nd attempt.
From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 8:14:24 PM
hmm.. holding L while in morph ball? I haven't been doing that... I'll go give that a shot

I can get up to the ledge pretty consistently now, but I always manage to slide off
From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 8:19:17 PM
something cute but almost useless i noticed: in the elevator next to frozen pike, if you drop down into the room and don't have spider ball, you can still go back into frozen pike by jumping on top of a rock, jumping on top of one of the poles, then space jumping to the ice door (and morphing so you can fit through the hole after you land, you don't slide off so there's no pressure).
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:01:54 PM
Update: I suck royally at the tbjm for the early Space Jump.

That said, *BUMP!*
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:07:01 PM
tlj: DBJM ;)

I haven't gotten it again, and don't understand what i did differently, other than possibly holding L to strafe to the left to more stable ground.
From: DARK SIDE | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:21:42 PM
Is it conclusive we don't need the spiderball? It sure seems that way and would that mean Thardius is optional.
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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:23:29 PM
hmm plasma before thardus definitely seems worth it to me in 27% speed run (take him out in 6 min on hard? sure as hell can't do that with the wave beam).
From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:25:25 PM
"Is it conclusive we don't need the spiderball?"

still need to find a way to get past ore processing and metroid quarantine A. also the sun tower to get to sunchamber for the artifact.
From: x6xboxer6x | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:27:23 PM
alright, this may seem pretty old and newbish, but i can care less. Ive tripled jump into the furnace area and now im in the hall of elders. Now i cant seem to get to the Morph Ball slot at the top. The statue sends you to the spiderball track. Ive been trying to jump up there and goto morphball at the last second but cant seem to do it. How are you suppose to get to the morph ball slot in the hall of elders?
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:31:06 PM
space jump onto a post sticking out of the reflective disc that's to the right of the platform you're trying to reach.
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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:32:00 PM
space jump on the small square sticking out of the reflective disc near the track. land on it then space jump to the platform where the slot is.

there is another way involving another tbj but the other one is more simple i guess.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:35:01 PM
plasma before thardus definitely seems worth it to me in 27% speed run

for what it's worth, I agree with you. I'm playing Normal mode, but you can take out Thardus so fast w/plasma it's unbelievable.

I'm starting to think about trying a 27% run on Hard mode, because I owned Omega so badly the last couple times I'm fought him with low % on normal that I think I might be getting to the point where a low % game on hard is more realistic for me. Not QUITE yet, though. =)
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From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:37:20 PM
yeah, go for it man. nothing to lose AFAIK. =]
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:49:31 PM
=(

why can't i get up there again?
time to spend the next 5 hours + trying

we must know if 25% is possible =p
From: kip | Posted: 1/28/2003 9:56:52 PM
it probably is then i'll have to cancel my 27% speed run which is at crashed frigate. =[
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:10:49 PM
I hope it's possible. 25% looks sweet!

BTW, I updated the site, added more information, developped the Plasma Beam section.

http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/

Just to tell you, when people are asking for things that are in the site, you could link them to it. And I was wondering if it really is useful? It may not look like it but it takes a whole lot of work to do =) You guys post new things every minute of the day!
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From: gameboyadvancdude | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:14:24 PM
Is there a movie of the triple bomb jump
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:23:47 PM
Personally it helps me a lot to have it to refer to things quickly, like when I'm having trouble getting the spider ball w/o plasma for example. I used to do some web authoring myself at work and for fun so I know what you mean about how it can be time-consuming. Your hard work is both appreciated and recognized. I mentioned it on the IGN Metroid board and will drop planetgamecube a hint as well.

Good point about plugging the site when people ask for help, too. I'll make sure to take your advice.

If we can get the video issue straightened out, I'm sure it will be a draw for people to visit as well, particularly for the triple bomb jump tech.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:44:22 PM
btw zell99, if you have any questions or stuff you wanna tell me about the email I sent you re: Ridley b4 Omega, please don't hesitate to ask. I'll try to help however I can.
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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 10:46:49 PM
I never made the dbjm to get space jump > flaaghra, gave up after about 300 tries ~_~

Good thing there's a save point right there.. haha
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/28/2003 11:05:48 PM
Wow, nice job on the site. I'm busy adding it as a reference point to my guide right now (as well as cleaning up a real mess I made of the text :P)

I GOT UP THERE TO THE SPACE JUMP! Hooray. Now if I can do it three times in a row, I might add it as a trick for the low-percentage run section I'm adding.

-Tim
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/28/2003 11:10:45 PM
Wow. I tried the Metroid Quarantines and Fungal Hall w/out Grapple Beam and was successful in every room without much trouble =D And I did not use the "turn left at the last minute" technique. Did all of you guys used it?

Btw, thanks Amasawa for Ridley b4 Omega! Really appreciated, and thanks for the comments on the site, makes me happy ;)

I'll do little updates and it should be up in half an hour, i'll drop you a line to let you know
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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 11:36:18 PM
Site looks great zell :)

I could easily whip up some images tomorrow if you want, like navbars and some buttons, just to spiff it up a bit
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/28/2003 11:37:40 PM
I uploaded.

Now I need:
-kip's method to get up Phazon Processing without spider ball
-who found "Phazon suit before Grav Suit"?
-who found "x-ray before phazon mines"?

and maybe you guys should check out every pages to make sure I forgot nobody in the "Thanks" because I really am not sure for some of these.. thanks, enjoy!
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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/28/2003 11:38:55 PM
I think amasawa found phazon suit > grav suit
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/28/2003 11:48:06 PM
i think x-ray vision > phazon mines was a given once kip figured out plasma > thardus
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/29/2003 12:36:34 AM
ooh, I like the look of that navigation bar and the tip sections; nice work! This is more and more getting to be a useful source of information with everything organized and updated in one place like it is.

I looked over all the pages to check the credit sections and I think everything's okay except that Mayonnaise should be credited on the Thermal Visor page because he started a thread suggesting it that really took off. x133SeVeNx2 is correct about the Phazon suit before Gravity suit. I agree with Banks17 about the x-ray visor; perhaps it's best to just leave that section uncredited?

By the way, I think a prominent spoilers warning on the site would be appreciated by some people who wander in from who knows where. just my 2 cents though so take or ignore this suggestion as you see fit.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/29/2003 12:48:18 AM
oh yeah, forgot to mention also that the first part of the Plasma Beam Before Thardus page got whacked when the site was reorganized. you'll see what I mean when you get a chance to review it.
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From: kip | Posted: 1/29/2003 1:06:05 AM
ice spreader and flamethrower could also go under before thardus even though it's just a novelty.
From: kip | Posted: 1/29/2003 3:49:39 AM
ugh, i'm at central dynamo with 1:53 on the clock and 4 artifacts, but i can't make that jump in fungal hall A. i wanna finish this already.

hmm...
From: kip | Posted: 1/29/2003 4:13:54 AM
NM i got it. now if omega pirate doesn't dish out some major BS i can finish this in a bit.
From: kip | Posted: 1/29/2003 4:49:42 AM
alright omega pirate's gone ^_^
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:01:09 AM
thanks guys for the comments, I'll change this tonight, and I'll also make a Spoiler Warning.

kip- So you are past Omega in your 27% game? You'll finish it by today O_o 20$ that kip is the 1st one in the world to complete a 27% game! ;)
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:14:14 AM
And it wouldn't have been possible without the participation and discussion of users on this board =p

After slipping off the edge at least 30+ times last night, i'm starting to have some theories onto why i made it up the very first time. The most likely candidate it this:

When i hit my 2nd bomb into my 3rd, i must have gotten some movement on the morphball towards the ledge before i hit the 3rd, but not far enough as to miss the bomb. This lead to a much closer "morph" and ultimately got me up the ledge to the ground you can't slip on. This showed the Glide samus animation. I haven't been able to emulate this with much success, but i'd say i've gotten almost past that edge again.

tlj: when you did it, was it like that? or was it different?
Devilbit: do you have anything to add either?

I suppose i could work on my 27% game but, i really would like to get this out of the way first.
From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:22:59 AM
Hi.

While toying yesterday with early space jump took the trip to phendrana to get the wave beam without the boost ball.
Got to the ice temple and instead of using jumps to catch the top used bomb jumps & morphing (just to verify if it was posible).

Got the wave and all seemed to work fine, i.e. the program code took it nicely.

BTW, as a curious note maybe you can bypass the spinners in the water level room altough didnt try.

Another note. The look down release L & turning inertia technics extend the normal jump reach. Obvious but its worth to point out.
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:24:28 AM
banks - I really don't know. I spent 10 attempts at it, and then suddenly made it up after a button mashing session of frantically pounding X and B. Though I keep experiencing the same problem as you of just barely slipping off.

Today, I'll try locking the view in the Fungal Halls (haven't gotten around to them yet), then see if I'm brave enough for the 27% run :)

-Tim
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:26:32 AM
tlj: did you do this in a new game or did you do it with already having varia/space jump?

when i got up there successfully, obviously it wasn't on my new game.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:32:36 AM
Devilbit: i can see where you're going with this, but i am pretty sure you need to use the boost ball in the observatory room to activate the holograms so you can get the super missiles. Now unless we could get a game where we didn't need that (i.e. space jump refreshes the chozo ghosts in the sunchamber) then we could quite possibly be looking at a 24% game. What are the other instances where you need the boost ball. That room outside of the hall of elders?

Oh and Devilbit: PLZ tell us an EXACT method to get from the rock to space jump before flaahgra. I did it once on an older save file, and would really like to do it again. Thanks
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:36:27 AM
Heheh, already with Varia and Space Jump. I never bothered getting the Bombs and returning all the way to the Landing Site to try it out. Perhaps soon.

Damn, I can only post 3 more times before my cut-off...30 messages every 24 hours...bah!
From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:37:17 AM
Ok. Done that three times.

2 of them whith the space jump.
the last was the confirmation one I started from frigate to there for the confirmation.

As i said yesterday i did with varia because i intended to get the wave.

Yes, there are some tips that might help you a bit Most of then were in the topic i made time ago.

Cant make indepth explanations now, im on dreamcast, much time to type.
From: kip | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:38:34 AM
well i don't know if anyone confirmed 27% already, but if not, i just finished my hard 27% speed run. so yeah, grapple isn't needed, although that phendrana's edge artifact is a little annoying to get in a speed run.

i'll mess around with space jump before flaahgra i guess since i still have my save right before flaahgra. one question though: go to the artifact temple before beating flaahgra or not? i know it probably makes no difference, but still.
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:48:25 AM
kip- congratulations on your 27% run =D if you could take a screenshot of your TV screen showing the 27% finish screen... it would be nice ;) and if you could send me or post here how you got up of Phazon Processing?

hum... the boostball is needed on top of the Elite Pirate Artifact room, to rotate the laser gun. I think it also is needed in Geothermal core to lift the platforms. I dont think it can be skipped yet =/
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:53:08 AM
The Boost Ball can't be skipped. You need it for Phazon Mines and Geothermal Core, just as zell said. Too bad...could've made it 26%...
From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:01:37 AM
My apologies for the delay, the browser froze. Abput boost ball:

Dont recall posting that boost ball isnt need it. Just said that in that room maybe you can bypass the spinners, altough didnt try that. Was pointing that just for the sake of non linearity.

Nicely done kip, 10-12% less and is super metroid all over again
From: kip | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:04:09 AM
is there a simple way of taking a picture of the mission final screen and saving it as a file? as i've said, i still don't have the video capture thing sorted out or i'd make a video of the last boss and include the credits/mission final screen. i know it looks bad if i don't, but it's out of my hands, so i can't do anything.

i'll post about phazon processing center some time. hopefully you'll also manage to get up there without the spider ball so you can make a better explanation of it. =]
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:15:18 AM
kip- I'll have to try phazon processing.. someday :P and to get a picture of the screen, well you need a Digital Camera.. I dont know how to do with a capture card =//
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From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:26:00 AM
okay i have a question. if you beat the game at 93%, does metroid prime rip off your phazon suit and leave you with the varia (if the 5% your missing is the gravity suit, and the powerups in the frigate)
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From: kip | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:29:51 AM
no one IIRC has managed to get the lifegiver artifact without the gravity suit so i can't tell. =[

it probably would happen the way you're asking since the cutscenes are done in real time (unless that one's an exception).
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:22:42 AM
Nice going kip! Congratulations; that's very impressive.

I confirmed DEVILBIT'S idea that you can reach the wave beam without the space jump. I did it today before I picked up the boost ball or the speed jump, and yeah, other than getting into the temple, it just takes double bomb jump morphs to make it past the trickier spots. DEVILBIT, since you're DC handicapped I can type up something for zell's info site if you want. :-) I'll post it here first so you can review it to make sure you agree with what it says.

Just for the hell of it I decided to grab the boostball afterwards and see how much farther I could make it w/o the space jump. So far I've reached the observatory without the space jump, but I think I'm gonna hang it up there for a while because trying to reach the second morph ball switch to activate the spinners seems too difficult right now.

Banks17, thanks for the tip on using the L trigger when doing bomb jump morphs. Experimenting with that has helped me a LOT getting the technique down more consistently.

Still haven't managed to get the space jump before flaahgra yet, but I'll keep trying at it here and there. Seem to be getting a little bit better at it every time.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:23:50 AM
speed jump! whoa, a secret powerup. o_O (just KIDDING for newbs who may be reading this) sorry about that brain fart. =)
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From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:35:30 AM
Exellent work Amasawa.

Feel free to write the process, also we should share credit for this one.
Took a look to the webpage and like it. I will like, if Zell wants to ofcurse, fixing some of the credits.
For 27% should be Amasawa, devilbit, kip.
And for fungals A-B , Quarentine should share my user name
also.
Already mail that to zell, but this is just in case.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:39:27 AM
banks17 also for the 27% run. his additional tips on making the extended jumps helped me out a lot.

the wave beam early is your patented trick though DEVILBIT (unless I put in how I get into the temple in the first place; I haven't been able to do it any other way <:))
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From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:43:55 AM
The L lock and release, turning inertia are confirmed (both for single & space jump). Maybe if the webmaster, he can add that too in one of the sections. With detailed explanations.

Made some posts a while back and also other people have made exellemt indepth explanations.
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:44:06 AM
Amasawa- If you could write it down it would be greatly appreciated ;)

I have to do Wave Beam w/o Space Jump and Space Jump before Flaahgra tonight... If I can nail these 2, it'd be pretty fun =D

DEVILBIT- Thanks for the credits modifications. As I said in an earlier post, I didn't know who to give credit to for some of the tricks, so I just wrote the guy that posted it, even though I know lots of you guys worked on it. I'll update all this tonight.
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:46:24 AM
kip- I received an email from a guy that says he knows a bit about video capturing. Maybe you'd like to contact him?

Travis Broady" <birk3293@bellsouth.net>.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:48:46 AM
DEVILBIT, you have a working email addy I can send that text to for you to review? (just to keep unnecessary posting to a minimum if possible)

zell99, I will email you the "final" version of Wave Beam Before Space Jump so you don't have to pick through posts in the thread.
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From: buffytvsfan | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:51:13 AM
Man, is that a hard rock to balance on!!! I messed with it for a few minutes when I was able to play last night. I'll try again tonight when I get home from class.
From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:56:25 AM
Its on my gamefaqs user profile.

Guessing you got to the ice temple from the sides, so we should share credit.

Will replay by mail, concerning the method compilation.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/29/2003 12:00:43 PM
I don't know what I'm doing wrong; when I click on your username I don't see anything listed for public email address.
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From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/29/2003 12:18:01 PM
eternalmaze@yahoo.com

Some recomendations to make early SP less tedious.
1- Yes, as many people knows by now different bomb placement & timing are important factors.

2-When standing on the rock -without morphing- face different directions to find the one that suits ya better.

3- Try, if you can, iniate the bombing at the very tip of the rock.

The designers put that rock intentionally.
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/29/2003 12:59:42 PM
I think the designers put pretty much everything intentionnaly... like the pieces to jump in Geothermal Core.. why would they place a Boulder there? a metal crate sticking out of the wall? a spire you can stand on and from which you can barelly make the jump to the spinner? and a thin ledge going all around the room.. it was all planned! we are puppets in their game O_o!

after they saw what happened with every other metroid games, they knew people would try to break the game and stuff, so they probably programmed the game thinking about it... they wouldn't have programmed the plasma beam on thardus, power bombs on thardus, why would they program the shadow drone to be visible in x-ray visor if they were sure it was not possible..
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From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/29/2003 1:52:25 PM
i need help with space jump before flaaghra.
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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/29/2003 2:51:13 PM
The designers put that rock intentionally.

I agree ;)

Too bad I still can't get that AHFJDJ$#YTI#$Jing jump..
From: SolrFlare | Posted: 1/29/2003 2:59:02 PM
About the only flaw with the designers put it there intentionally stuff would be the problem with going in backwards into the Phendrana labs...but I imagine that if they did intentionally put in the tbj(that I'm not 100% sure about heh) they probably just didn't bother with testing everything perfectly since you really have to go out of your way to do all the wackiness thats been come up with so far :)

But I agree that once getting the plasma early was confirmed and without grapple I no longer had any doubts what-so-ever that most if not all of this stuff was put in there for us crazy, dedicated Metroid Prime players to discover :)
From: Ragnarok72 | Posted: 1/29/2003 3:03:53 PM
Ack, this thread is REALLY LONG, so I don't know if what I'm about to theorize has already been done:

An Alternate way of getting to the Space Jump early:

Ok, you know the room you'd usually have to use the Half-pipe and the Boost Ball to get up top (AKA Tallon Canyon)?

First, start ascending the platforms in that room as if you were going toward the Magmoor Root Cave Elevator, and stop at the platform that's nearest the big bridge above the half pipe.

Now, as I can't quite do a tbj, I did a double bomb jump for distance judging purposes, shocklingly enough, it seems that a TBJ (or tbjm) might be enough to get up there!. If it works, this could be an infinitely easier way to get it, as you really don't have to deal with bomb jumping on crazy slanted surfaces.

Anyway, what do you think? Possible or not?
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/29/2003 3:06:48 PM
Yeah, it's been theorized, and attempted, but so far afaik no one has successfully made it up to the space jump that way. Thanks for the reminder though; I haven't tried that way in a while and I'm getting better at bomb jumping, so it's worth another shot.
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From: Samus aran x | Posted: 1/29/2003 3:23:16 PM
it is officially official people i just tried the new theory of getting up there and it works, but you must triple bomb jump morph or when the last bomb of the tbj hits you you unmorph and you are propelled up there.
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From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/29/2003 4:05:08 PM
kip, the following are movie file converters and players... one of them mentioned .mov files, that's your type, right? Good luck, hope it works...

(yes, it is ".com.com")
http://download.com.com/3000-2194-7230043.html?tag=lst-0-20
http://download.com.com/3000-2139-914443.html?tag=lst-0-3
http://download.com.com/3000-2194-9630122.html?tag=lst-0-12

and the piŹce de résistance... this file is actually called MOV2AVI ...

http://www.divx-digest.com/software/mov2avi.html

I hope that one or more of these can solve your problem...
From: Ragnarok72 | Posted: 1/29/2003 4:34:36 PM
>Yeah, it's been theorized, and attempted, but so far afaik no one has successfully made it up to the space jump that way. Thanks for the reminder though; I haven't tried that way in a while and I'm getting better at bomb jumping, so it's worth another shot.

Oh, good, at least the idea's out there, then. It's kinda funny, I was messin' around in that area with ways of tryin' to get up there to that bridge, and as soon as I saw that height-wise it is do-able with a TBJ/TBJM, I literally ran back over to my comp to post about it, I was so excited about it. :)

In your opinion, though, would this method be easier than the original?
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 4:37:56 PM
Yeah, if what you're referring to as the *vine bridge*, i've tried a good deal of tbjm to get there, and even if you can get the height, the gap kills you. You can get prolly parallel to the ledge at best, but never on top of it.

And Devilbit: you said you got spacejump > flaahgra yes?
I want to try chozo ghost refreshing but, i've yet to get up there before flaahgra.
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From: RockMFR 5 | Posted: 1/29/2003 4:48:42 PM
Wow, 27%.... that is amazing.
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From: buffytvsfan | Posted: 1/29/2003 5:39:42 PM
OOh! RockMFR 5, I MUST applaud you on your most excellent signature. Ohio State rocks!

So just to clarify... If the Space Jump does trigger the ghosts, what does that help us to accomplish banks?
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 6:10:59 PM
If the space jump triggers the ghost, then that means you don't have to collect the charge beam or super missile power ups. Usually you have to come back to this room after getting the spider ball and shooting the cordite walls to reveal the runes so you can get up the track.

But, if you were to get the chozo ghosts to reset directly after killing flaahgra, then you would be able to skip getting those two items.
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From: buffytvsfan | Posted: 1/29/2003 6:16:07 PM
This is based on the idea that you might be able to freeze the ghosts and jump up shaft?
From: Diffusion | Posted: 1/29/2003 6:29:30 PM
Blaargh. It's been a while since I've posted.

Early Plasma/X-Ray Visor/Power Bombs cut off about an hour and a half (putting me at a slow 4:53 for 100% Normal, but I got 100% scans, repeatedly missed those Gliders, and did things really inefficiently).

I've gotten EXTREMELY close to SJ before Fl-that monster.

I think the reason people tend to fall off of the rock is simple: it's because they overcorrect. A few taps (GENTLE taps) to the left work every time.

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 6:37:47 PM
"This is based on the idea that you might be able to freeze the ghosts and jump up shaft?"

Nah, i was hoping that by having the space jump boots after killing fraahgla would prematurely trigger the chozo ghosts to spawn in the sun chamber after going onto the edge of the suntower.
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From: vg150 | Posted: 1/29/2003 6:43:15 PM
by the way, you can't burn the roots to get into the sun-chamber. I tried that for about 10 minutes untill I realized that the description said INVULNARABLE and not vulnarable to weapons.
From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/29/2003 7:12:16 PM
Ice Beam + Gravity Suit before Thardus using Triple Bump

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From: buffytvsfan | Posted: 1/29/2003 7:24:34 PM
The problem that I tend to have when holding down 'L' while in the Morph Ball, is that the camera angle constantly changes on me depending on what direction I move the control stick. So for staying on the rock, the camera will swing around and I will end up falling off because I am now pushing the control stick in the wrong direction. Make sense??
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 7:29:58 PM
If you hold L while you are morphing into ball form, you shouldn't see the camera swivel.

But i believe the main thing that gets you onto the ledge is moving forward as you hit the last bomb and then unmorphing. You know you did it correctly when you see samus in the glide animation.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/29/2003 7:49:30 PM
I've had no success with getting the space jump early so far. I keep landing on that cliff again and again, only to slide back off at the last possible second.

Now, normally this is the point where I put what I'm doing aside in favor of doing something more fun, but somehow the off button on my console has mysteriously disappeared. Getting this jump right is starting to become so ingrained in my brain that I swear I'm going to have dreams tonight of being a perfect sphere, balanced on a tiny pointed stone, only to wake up curled into a fetal position with my back painfully pressed against the corner of my endtable. My therapist is gonna have a field day trying to figure out why my bad dreams about my ex-girlfriend are suddenly mixed together with women bouncing off rocks. She'll probably think it's grounds for calling the police. Every time I try to make it up to the cliff now, the ghost of Gunpei Yokoi just sticks its head up through the cover of my GCN and laughs.

To sum it up... HELP! <=)

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 7:50:15 PM
Ugh, i'm so unmotivated to work on that jump again it isn't funny. No matter how close i get, it doesn't seem like i can get back up there. I wager even if you do defeat flaaghra, you have to enter the room from the bottom so you are able to see the Chozo Ghost animation where it runs down the hallway.

Eventually i'll get it done but, i'ts just frustrating =\
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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/29/2003 7:54:37 PM
y'know what would be REALLY funny? If the space jump was the trigger for the unbreakable roots over flaaghra's front door, somehow... ahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa

*dies*
From: wizzlefoshizzle | Posted: 1/29/2003 7:57:00 PM
im getting closer, but something that seems to help to get the space jump early is to jump and morph in midair as you are landing on the rock to start, it seems like it keeps you steady for a few seconds to plant your first 2 bombs. I dunno it just seems like it works.
From: vivagorditas007 | Posted: 1/29/2003 8:00:32 PM
I have heard you can do it with a dbjm or a tbjm, which one is it????
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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/29/2003 8:02:30 PM
dbjm
From: zell99 | Posted: 1/29/2003 8:15:29 PM
updated quite a few things in the website. It's more and more complete!

http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid

and thanks to Amasawa and devilbit for the Wave beam b4 space jump!
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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/29/2003 8:18:50 PM
Zell, I could whip up some images for the site, like navbars/buttons/etc if you want, might take me a whole 20 minutes! O_O!

my aim = x133SeVeNx if yer interested
From: vivagorditas007 | Posted: 1/29/2003 8:47:22 PM
can anyone hwo has done the space jump early trick provide in great DETAIL how to do this like pixel by pixel discription and brain patterns and the like for how to do it?
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 8:49:57 PM
vivagorditas007: I've done it and i still don't know how to explain it. look back through the thread for my tips on rock balancing, and then the tip on moving before the final bomb blast.

Other than that here's a tip: If you have the fusion suits available, activate them! it'll give you something to look at between failed attempts =p
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From: SirXWolf | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:05:56 PM
Heh. I always like when people successfully "break" Metroid games.
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From: shahe | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:21:43 PM
flaghara took me 2 seconds and i only had 21 energy 1 energy tank and i beat it .
From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:35:40 PM
Is the Gravity Suit necessary? I mean, if you CAN, can't you fight Omega with the Varia Suit? I mean, does the Phazon suit let you jump well in water?

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:41:09 PM
Technically you can fight Omega weapon without the gravity suit but, you still need it to get the artifact by the wavebuster. The one past the ruined shrine.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:43:43 PM
Ugh once again: weapon = pirate
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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/29/2003 9:45:52 PM
So the Phazon Suit won't let you jump regularly in water?

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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:04:42 PM
Ugh, it's finally done. I just submitted the latest version of the 100% speed guide to the server; it should be up soon. I tried to credit just about everyone in this thread with stuff, and I think that the guide is a lot better now. I had to save a copy of my old one for nostalgia's sake though. Whenever it gets posted, someone tell me what you think - I have yet to get a single rating or review on it, heh.

Also, I am more convinced every day that Metroid Prime was built to be speed broken. There are just too many odds and ends for the methods to be completely accidental. Perhaps they didn't foresee a TBJ or TBJM, but the ledges in Hall of Elders and the Geo. Core...that's just too odd.

-Tim
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:06:58 PM
Mario - that's the funny thing. Get the Phazon Suit before the Gravity Suit, and everything is still blurry and you can't move regularly. It's got all the benefits of the Phazon Suit, but none of the Gravity Suit, since the game doesn't register you having it.
From: Nny | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:09:51 PM
I'm attempting the SJ before Flaghraa now, and am having some trouble perfecting my technique. There are some things I'm unclear on: When do you let go of L? Right when you unmorph after the 2nd bomb? When exactly DO you unmorph after the 2nd bomb? I tried unmorphing almost immidiately...but I tend to fall a bit short of the lowest edge.
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:21:41 PM
tlj: nice work on your faq! hope to see it up soon.

And as for tips on the spacejump before flaahgra, try to morph out on the ascent of your jump, definitely before the peak. And you don't really ever have to let go of L. Or even use L for that matter. It just helps me aim when i come out of morph ball.

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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:23:29 PM
*Breaking News*
I kinda found a way to make videos. The quality is a little crappy, and there is no sound, but at least I can make vids =)

Another news, I have the whole Plasma Beam without Grapple/Spiderball process on videotape, and also a tbj up the furnace track. I should be able to upload these videos on the site tomorrow night, around 9PM eastern (23:00 GameFAQ's time)
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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:38:08 PM
!!! If the phazon suit doesn't let you jump normally in water, I don't think skipping the varia suit would work either!!! Even if Phendrana's cold can't kill you, THINK! How long does it take to get the plasma beam? A LONG TIME CONSIDERING THE DAMAGE YOU WILL TAKE!!!

In summary: I believe it is impossible to skip the varia suit and therefore impossible to fight flaaghra last! Sorry, kip!

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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:40:34 PM
Oh, and my friend has a video camera (not MP, or a GCN, though), and if it might help and one of you wants me to, I can talk to him about getting the stuff on the computer, and tell you what he says!

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From: Nny | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:47:43 PM
I just spent the last hour trying to dbjm off that stupid rock. There were a couple times when I swear I made it... and I did, only to have Samus kind of float in place for one agonizing second before slipping back down to the bottom. Arrrrggghhh!!!! I've concluded this: If you look carefully at the escarpment you're aiming to land on, you'll notice a band of green to the left of the rift that forms the lowest place you can dbjm up to. I think it's impossible to land on this tiny incline caused by the rift and add a jump to make it to more level ground. In order to dbjm up there, you're going to have to either make it high enough to reach the green part to the left or get enough tilt so that Samus can clear that part entirely. Trust me, I am righteously mad after making that jump three times only to hover before slipping back down. Ugh. Oh, and what's all this I hear about the Samus running in place vs. the Samus standing animations when you morph out of ball mode at the end of a dbjm? Does this make any difference?
From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 1/29/2003 10:49:16 PM
Since 27% is the lowest, I guess I'll have to update my FAQ... I was planning to anyway, but it seems urgent now.

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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:06:51 PM
Wow. My question and comment have been ignored for over 20 minutes!

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:13:10 PM
Nny: try 40+ times of slipping back down =(

The difference in animation is based upon if you're pushing forward while in morph ball mode THEN morph out, or if you morph out then push forward. You'll notice if the morph ball is moving, she'll have a gliding animation (legs frozen in place) as opposed to the standard running in air motion. When i did it the first time i got the glide animation but, i have no clue why i can't repeat it. =(

I may start trying to tbj to get even more height soon.
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:23:55 PM
I'll remedy that Mario. I hate to say it, but I really think fighting Flaahgra last is dead impossible - you can't make it through Magmoor w/o dying, and you can't make it through Phendrana without freezing. So it's nigh impossible unless someone finds a cheat around it.

And can someone post the item list for a 27% run? I keep coming up with 29%, unless my item listing is off.
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:25:37 PM
We don't know that you freeze in phendrana, considering that the only person who said so was a liar. I believe that you would be just fine once you got to phendrana.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:26:54 PM
12 artifacts
missile
morph ball
morph ball bombs
charge beam
varia
boost ball
space jump
wave beam
ice beam
super missile
gravity suit
plasma beam
spider ball
xray visor
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*phazon suit/beam*
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:30:00 PM
Ah...if I can ever make it to Phendrana, I'll try and see if it's true.

Thanks banks...so the Phazon Suit isn't counted at all?
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/29/2003 11:31:54 PM
Nope
the phazon suit/beam is more of a contamination than an item pick up. Kind of makes sense since you lose it to metroid prime in the end anyways.
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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/30/2003 12:31:12 AM
Anyone think we'd have a chance of getting to phendrana with the space jump and 4 e-tanks? I thought banks mentioned that you could have 4 e-tanks by flaaghra, somewhere in the old thread?
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 1:13:14 AM
zell99, the site looks great and is shaping up very nicely. That's great news about the video, too; I'm looking forward to checking 'em out.

tim, that's good to hear about your speed faq as well. I'll check it out once the revised version's put up.
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From: Nny | Posted: 1/30/2003 2:26:25 AM
Banks: What if...what if you were able to do like a halfass tbjm, meaning the kind where you start to do a tbj and mess it up at the end but still get some decent height. More than a dbj, anyway. Does anyone here know what I'm talking about? A true tbj is hard, but I've been able to pull of these ghetto versions pretty easily. It's where you lay the first bomb, get popped up, place the second just as you land, then the third bomb gets planted just half a beat before the second explodes, the second's explosion pops you back up to place the fourth, then I just mash the A button past this point because I can't master a true tbj and I can get some decent height off of this. Maybe it's enough to get up there, because a dbjm gets you SOOOOO close....I'm gonna try it before bed. See you all tomorrow.
From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/30/2003 5:40:33 AM
Forgive me for this one Zell and the rest of posters.

If you Zell have the time, include me on the phendrana artifact in the next update. Itll be greatly apreciated.

BTW, looked the last update, if a player new to the game reads all that hes gonna freack out. Some crazy stuff there.
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/30/2003 9:55:25 AM
*bump*

Heheh, I asked one of my friends (an avid Prime player himself who has never visited this board) to proofread my document, make sure I didn't make any glaring errors, and he got to the Ice Beam part before going "WTF?" at the tricks I included. Lol. The new update plus what's on the site will defintely freak newbies to the game out...

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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:03:13 AM
And of course, anyone who can figure out how to cross the Magma Pool (where you get a PB Expansion, and the Chozo Lore "Newborn") without the Grappling Beam, that would be really helpful. Also I think someone mentioned a while back getting that Missile Expansion high up without grappling...how do you do it again? If I can get to Magma Pool, get the four Missiles, the Energy Tank, and the PB and Lore minus the Grapple, that would save even more time off my run.

-Tim

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From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:24:49 AM
I finally had the time to sit down and read over your whole site. It's most impressive, and very useful.

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From: Freedan the Eternal | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:27:42 AM
I haven't got my copy of this game yet (ONE MORE WEEK!!!!) but I'd believe in a triple bomb jump. In Metroid 3 you could continue bomb jumping till you nearly reach the moon. (Note to newbs: NOT EASY!)
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:30:08 AM
Yeah, I remember that. Unfortunately, a Triple is as high as you can realistically go - there is just no way to set a seventh bomb in mid-air to boost you higher :P

Though, please tell me if anyone else encountered this while Boosting and Bomb Jumping: It happened only once, and I have not a clue how I did it, but I swear I used the Boost Ball in mid-air to rocket towards the ceiling. If this can be exploited as something do-able, tbjs could be eliminated...

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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 2:36:22 PM
Tim,

DEVILBIT mentioned you could get that missile in the main plaza that's high up on the other side of the grapple point without the grapple beam, but I don't think he ever elaborated on the details of it due to his typing abilities forced to shorthand by his dreamcast, so I'll give it a shot:

It's possible to space jump from a nearby platform that's across from the tree with the missile exp inside it (the platform that's overhead the door that leads to the tower of light where the wavebuster is). I've had a little difficulty nailing the jump consistently, but sometimes it seems like I land the jump as if there's quite a bit of leeway stiil, so think it might just take some messing around to figure out which angle is best to jump from.

Two pointers that help every time though are 1) lookspring on the first jump (i.e. look down, lock w/ the L trigger, then release after takeoff), and 2) run as close to the edge of the platform as you can before liftoff. On the second jump, I like to press L again to lock so I can move forward and strafe to the right a little at the same time to reach the ground where the missile exp is, but I've also just turned to the right on the second jump before and that worked as well (ala DEVILBIT'S spin jumping theory, perhaps), so your mileage may vary.

I haven't found a way yet to get the rest of the stuff you mentioned though, unfortunately. I tried getting there by making my way to the morph ball tunnel across the main plaza from the missile exp I just explained how to reach (yes, it's possible to cross from there from atop one of the red-leafed branches, if you can believe that), but the other side of the tunnel is blocked by a cover that's only destroyed once you've wasted the chozo ghosts on the other side (I tried bombs and power bombs anyway, of course... but no dice). Looks like if you want a way to get that stuff without the grapple beam, it's gonna have to be a way across the lava or none at all.

I notice that there's some wreckage just beneath the surface of the lava in the middle of that room that you can stand on for a great place to launch a space jump from, but I haven't been able to reach the other side from there yet.

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 2:45:16 PM
Are you guys talking about the lava place in the chozo ruins? There's a little piece of ground just under the lava on the near side of the power bomb expansion wall. I'm pretty sure you can tbj up there to reach the ledge =p

And about using the tbjm on the ledge to get space jump: yeah you could probably do it easier that way but, it takes more effort to stay on the rock, and that tends to throw off my timing. In the end, i'll have to do it that way i suppose, because falling off the ledge so much makes me not want to try.
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From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/30/2003 3:44:49 PM
Space BUMP Before Flaahgra!
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Tim, I personally have never boosted upwards during a bomb jump, but then again, I only started following this post on Monday, and haven't even had a chance to try any of this out... anyway, maybe you should try to repeat your boosting upwards trick.

Imagine if it works, we'll be talking about dbjbbs, dbjbbms, tbjbbs, and tbjbbms! O_o
Anyway, i'll also try to do it on Friday... good luck
From: The Leech | Posted: 1/30/2003 3:46:40 PM
*waits patiently for a video of the tbj* :P

The one I can't nail is the 5th bomb. =(
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 3:50:01 PM
thanks for the suggestion banks17, I'll try that.

the leech, it sounds like you'll get that video tonight, if zell99 still has time to upload it.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 3:51:22 PM
weird about the boosting UP Tim; no, I haven't seen that before. Samus shoots DOWN a lot quicker when I use the boost in midair sometimes... I'll keep an eye out for that.
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From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/30/2003 3:59:53 PM
Amasawa, I just thought of something:
Maybe to boost upwards, you have to release the boost while you're moving up... it would be a bit harder to do, and would explain why you usually go down more quickly when you release the boost randomly. After all, the boost is supposed to accelerate in the direction you're moving... kudos to Tim for noticing that.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 4:06:00 PM
that's the thing though, TBC... it doesn't seem to let Samus boost when she's bouncing upward, which is maybe something Tim found a way around. Good thought but the game just won't listen to me when I try to explain to it why the technique should work. I think it's that Gunpei Yokoi's ghost laughing at me again that's screwing it up.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 4:10:42 PM
Yes, zell made a video of him getting into the furnace last night using the tbj. Although he had the phazon suit on, i don't think you guys would care much =p
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 4:36:23 PM
Are you guys talking about the lava place in the chozo ruins? There's a little piece of ground just under the lava on the near side of the power bomb expansion wall. I'm pretty sure you can tbj up there to reach the ledge =p

Yep, works great! wtg Banks, I'm sure Tim will appreciate it.

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 4:41:11 PM
Hehe i thought it would.

A note about boost bomb jumping: it seems that whenever i get hit by a bomb, the boost charge is reset, so even if i release it, i get no movement. i'm not sure how you guys are doing it, but it just resets for me.
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From: Ragnarok72 | Posted: 1/30/2003 5:49:29 PM
I have reason to believe that getting to Phendrana should without a Varia shouldn't get you frozen.

My evidence is right before the cut-scene when you leave the Frigate at the beginning of the game. Naked Space isn't exactly hot, infact it's usually downright frigid, about at least 10x colder than Phendrana could get, and you don't seem to take damage or see her freeze.

On another note: In theory, if you were to acquire the Phazon Suit without having either the Varia or Gravity suits, would it look like a Black & Silver version of the original Power Suit?

Now THAT, in my opinion, would be incredibly sweet.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 5:52:11 PM
if you were to acquire the Phazon Suit without having either the Varia or Gravity suits, would it look like a Black & Silver version of the original Power Suit?

I say no, based on the fact that the Phazon Suit still looks the same if you pick it up before you get the Gravity Suit.
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From: Little Green Yoda | Posted: 1/30/2003 5:55:54 PM
In summary: I believe it is impossible to skip the varia suit and therefore impossible to fight flaaghra last!

It would be impossible to skip the Varia suit since you need to kill Flaaghra before getting the artifact in the Sunchamber. The only question is "What triggers those Chozo ghosts?" It might be the Space Jump like somebody suggested but it could be something else (Thardus' death perhaps?)

Anyway the idea is to kill Flaaghra and the Chozo ghosts together. Then you wouldn't need the Charge beam or Super missiles to return to the Sunchamber.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 6:02:41 PM
Yeah the problem is is getting up that stupid ledge to get space jump. I'd say it is the single most difficult trick in the game. If it weren't for the fact that i had done it before, i'd say it was impossible. And, for all we know, spider ball, super missile, or whatever could be the trigger for the ghosts. I think it may just be entering that room after killing flaahgra (the room with the spider ball track) from the bottom so you can see the ghost animation. 27% looks pretty solid for now, and i think i might be taking a break.

The Ura Quest bonus disc comes out in a little over 2 weeks, so i hope to see you all on those forums trying to find new bugs until WW comes out.
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From: s742617000027s1 | Posted: 1/30/2003 6:17:31 PM
Just a few things of minor importance...
1) If we ever get to Phendrana Drifts, the cold should hurt you too because the Varia Suit apperently protects you from extreme heat and cold (If I remember the description correctly). And going through the labs, and all those rooms with 3 tanks...hard...and even if cold doesn't hurt you...once you're in Magmoor, good luck getting major items with your health draining.
2) People have said it is impossible to do a Quadruple Bomb Jump. Well is it possible that there could be an alternate strategy to doing the TBJ that would leave you with enough bombs to blast you higher (even a little would be great)?
3) Who actually sat down an thought up the TBJ, because it is a freaking awesome discovery.
4) How many people can DO the TBJ (I haven't even tried), with a more than 75% chance of completing it succesfully?
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From: vivagorditas007 | Posted: 1/30/2003 6:17:39 PM
Banks. What part of the cliff did you dbjm onto? I am tbjm-ing, and I want to know where you aimed to get up to the space jump ledge. I have slid off about 20 times now, and want to kill my waveburd controller.

any other tips? I rock at tbmj-ing off that rock.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 6:26:50 PM
Banks17 wrote up the triple bomb jump trick in a way that people have a reasonable chance of understanding, so he should be getting praised for that one, imo. I don't even wanna think about a quad; it makes my head hurt. ;)

Yeah, it does seem like it'd be pretty outrageous trying to get major items in magmoor w/o varia, but if I could get through it the first time I'd certainly be willing to go back in with 11 e-tanks to get the two that are there, and with save points nearby the major stuff it seems like it might be doable, MAYBE.

I can't nail a good tbj 3 out of 4 times, no way. More like 1 in 3 if I'm having a good day.
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From: Nny | Posted: 1/30/2003 6:31:54 PM
Viva>> I spent all last night trying to dbjm up to that stupid platform from the rock, and it just hurts how close I've gotten. Here are my notes.

You see how the lowest part of the ledge isn't really a platform, it's more of a cleft caused by two polygons intersecting at an approximately fifty degree angle. Though this is the lowest part, I don't think it's actually possible to land on this, evidenced by me landing on that part then helplessly sliding off about two dozen times so far. I'm pretty convinced that aiming for that part is hopeless, because I went back on another file and tried standing on it to test where exactly you being sliding. That whole rift is slippery; just try it. There's a triangle-shaped polygon that slopes off at an angle to the left of this rift (if you're facing the escarpment from the rock below, you can see this part just above the green band that snakes around from the left side), this polygon is a wee bit higher but stand-onable, I discovered. I'm trying to aim for that from now on, but the narrow part of the triangle shape is the closest to edge and pretty difficult to nail. This is all with dbjm, however...if you can tbjm off that rock (I keep slipping off) it seems like you'd get hella height and would be able to land on the ledge with no problem
From: vivagorditas007 | Posted: 1/30/2003 6:36:37 PM
Great thanks, I'll give it a try. I got to a point on the 50 degree anlge part where I stopped running when i got up there and I thought, this isn't possible. I will try further to the left.
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From: vivagorditas007 | Posted: 1/30/2003 6:37:40 PM
Anyone know where Banks landed when he did it?
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From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/30/2003 6:49:29 PM
Alright, I'm convinced that this is going to be my good run =P I'm at 43 minutes, saved in the place outside the gathering hall, about to go get the ice beam. If this is crap, I'll just quit, because I can't think of more than maybe 1 minute error total so far >_<
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 6:53:24 PM
There is no other way to refresh your bomb counter other than the way i've stated. you can't just magically pull more bombs our of your arse with any other method. The ball simply falls too fast for a 3rd refreshed set of bombs.

About when i was able to get up on the ledge:

I'll try to describe out it looked/felt when i did it.
I aimed at that little cleft on the lowest part of the slippery ledge. I double bomb jumped and pressed forward right before i hit that 3rd bomb. I had the little Glide animation of samus and she hit that cleft, but seemed to jump OVER that little obstruction to the left of the slippery slope and landed on higher ground. I think this may have to do with glide animation caused by the motion before the blast. it seems like your momentum isn't wasted by going up the slope, but just on the initial incline and then over that little wall to the green grass part?

It was something like that, and i haven't been able to do it since.
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From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/30/2003 6:54:03 PM
Just got back...
Hmm...

Good point about the boost ball Amasawa... (btw, I like my new nickname, TBC, huh? lol)

Maybe Tim was next to a wall and somehow managed to "ride up" the wall? O_o
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From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/30/2003 7:05:14 PM
Okay, even the manual that comes with the game (or was it the nintendo guide? don't know, but i read it somewhere) says that the varia protects Samus from hot OR COLD temperatures.

Funkytoad: just shut up, okay? i did not know he was lying. i'm sorry. anyways, i told his girlfriend and his best friends, and they're mad at him.... fortunately, i only visit him every so often, and we live about 100 miles apart
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/30/2003 7:08:20 PM
he found some kind of "4x bomb jump". like i said yesterday. this is his ONLY game. he practices every day. guess what his job is? he works at an EB near where i live, we live pretty close (shuts up before he reveals TOO much information)

Leave.
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From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/30/2003 7:12:29 PM
i consider that pretty close since most of my family lives in Colorado and California! and look, i listen to lance because i've trusted him since i was a little kid.
From: OSoftheHoltLutra | Posted: 1/30/2003 7:13:51 PM
and plus, he said that since he worked at eb, the manager showed him everything. If you've known someone all your life, your bound to trust them...
From: s742617000027s1 | Posted: 1/30/2003 7:27:10 PM
Go here:

http://www.codejunkies.com/codes_show.asp?c=US&cr=USD&cs=$&r=0&l=1&g=139&p=7

which can be accessed from the Metroid Prime code page. If anyone knows how they work and stuff, we could experiment further and collect items earlier than others. And yes I know this is cheating, but it would be pretty cool to mess around with it.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 7:30:47 PM
How about you use the code to get space jump, kill flaahgra, then try to refresh teh chozo ghosts. That way i can stop thinking about it and never do that stupid jump again.
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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:11:02 PM
Bump.

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From: vivagorditas007 | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:15:04 PM
OK, I know I am doing triple jumps right, because I just got across the magma pool w/o the grapple beam. I hopped onto the fallen ledge at the far left, but I still can't can't get the early space jump on my hard file. Any new tips since an hour ago? I can't find any place that doesn't make samus fall off when I get up there.

Banks You say you hit the bottom of the the two triangles and then you kind of bounced up. Maybe are we going to high. And you glided, not ran?
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:28:36 PM
You can all start living again. My 4 videos are up

http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid

The Leech- You can now download a video of the tbj up the Furnace and you'll how it looks like!

s742617000027s1- I nail the tbj around 75% of the time on a flat surface. The problem is that it does not always give you the same height. The bomb 5-6 timing is really tricky, and if you look at my video, you'll notice that when I got up the Furnace, my bomb 5-6 were not really spaced up. In fact, I placed bomb 5 AND 6 while going up from bomb 4's explosion, so when I got down, bomb 5 exploded and bomb 6 exploded right after, while I was going UP in it.. I already had speed in the up direction and the bomb gave me even more. What I'm trying to say is that I think it's better if bomb 6 hits you before your peak (going down) of bomb 5.
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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:32:24 PM
WOE IS ME!!!

I can't see the videos because Quicktime needs a component not found on the server!!!

:'(

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:34:13 PM
Yes i got the glide animation when i did it.

http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/videos.html

I confirm these videos work ;)
GJ zell~
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From: Green Mamba | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:35:17 PM
Avi? Oh, crap....
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:38:16 PM
If you guys can't use these videos, i suggest downloading the latest winamp.

www.winamp.com

all my .avi movies play through this.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:42:31 PM
Zell made a good point. I believe velocity + bomb blast = more height than farther placed out bombs. Watching his tbj video should be more than enough help though =p
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From: Green Mamba | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:43:31 PM
If I could. Does anyone know something that allows you to watch avis? I'm not too good at stuff like this.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:45:07 PM
look at my above post =(

www.winamp.com
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:45:46 PM
Download Windows Media Player 7.1. It's the latest version and it supports AVI. (http://download.com.com/3000-2139-5948260.html?tag=lst-0-1)

You could also use DivX Player. (http://download.com.com/3000-2194-10112189.html?tag=lst-0-1)
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From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:47:34 PM
Impresive work Zell.

A sugestion:

Put the L look spring in the technics section because its confirmed to extend the reach of any jump. I made the explanation in the other topic.

Wish to see the videos but DC does not suport web video playback. To does who have seen them, are they clear enough?
From: Green Mamba | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:48:21 PM
Thank you!
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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:50:09 PM
About Winamp: I have a mac, running OS X. They don't have Winamp for that!

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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:54:58 PM
mario cleanstuff- I have the .MOV videos.. but they are 18mb altogether =/ I can't upload them...
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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/30/2003 8:57:31 PM
Oh. Could you IM them to me or e-mail me them? I have a new laptop, 40 gigs and 800mHz. E-mail: (No, it ain't Mario_Cleanstuff@blahblah.com) webshark_47@yahoo.com

Use it sparingly!!!

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From: Pikachelsea | Posted: 1/30/2003 9:03:39 PM
Huh? Where are the videos? I checked the Videos section of the "Metroid Prime Discoveries" site, but all I saw was a bunch of Smash Bros.: Melee videos....
From: Green Mamba | Posted: 1/30/2003 9:07:10 PM
Downloaded the latest winamp, and attempted to play a video on it, but didn't see anything.
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/30/2003 9:14:44 PM
Pikachel...- Go back to the site. For some reason it screwed up for a couple of minutes, so I re-uploaded the page. I'll post direct links here too, just in case..

http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/vids/zell_mp_furnace_tbj.avi
http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/vids/zell_mp_plasma1.avi
http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/vids/zell_mp_plasma2.avi
http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/vids/zell_mp_plasma3.avi
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/30/2003 9:15:50 PM
Look, I have DivX and Windows Media Player 7.1 and they work on both of them Just download and install one of these programs.

http://download.com.com/3000-2139-5948260.html?tag=lst-0-1
http://download.com.com/3000-2194-10112189.html?tag=lst-0-1

Mario Cleanstuff- Give me your IM. 18mb by email is too big.
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From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/30/2003 9:17:46 PM
See profile.

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From: Pikachelsea | Posted: 1/30/2003 9:19:32 PM
Thanks, zell :)
From: Mario Cleanstuff | Posted: 1/30/2003 9:33:27 PM
uhh...zell? I'm back on, so we can continue our conversation.

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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:18:13 PM
http://gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/30280.html

There's the easiest way I could find to link to the new version of the speed guide - I can't even link to the FAQ directly from within GameFAQs...

Anyway, it's up. I still have no idea about the mysterious boost jump, but I'll keep at it :P
Thanks Amasawa for the Missile Exp. info - I'll try and explore the Magma Pool again to see if there's something I can do to get that stuff before Grapple.

Congratulations, btw, on the videos. I'm gonna go check them out.

-Tim

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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:19:58 PM
Sexy videos zell, nice job :)
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:25:20 PM
Looks like we'll have to create v 3.0 of the thread soon. In the meantime, I could go back to Super Metroid and retrofit my old guide for that...to keep myself occupied while MMN gets off the ground.

-Tim

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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:30:04 PM
I'll try and explore the Magma Pool again to see if there's something I can do to get that stuff before Grapple.

Psst... Tim, Banks17 solved your problem for ya! I don't know HOW you could have missed it among the other 300+ posts in this thread. ;-)

He suggested jumping into the lava near the far ledge that you're trying to reach to step on top of a block that's beneath the surface of the lava, and then tbjm up onto the ledge. I gave it a try and nailed it right away; there's plenty of leeway to make it with a tbjm, so as long as you have the gravity suit you'll have no problem getting that stuff w/o the grapple beam.

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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:38:51 PM
Oh sweet! I'm off to try that now. If there's a way I can get all those items without a return to Chozo Ruins at the end, then I'll re-do that part of the guide.

Psst...anyone see the new update yet? (Yeah, I know I'm begging for attention) ;)

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From: SuperSayian | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:51:03 PM
zell99 - On your web page could you put the file size next to the videos? That way people would have a clue how big they are. (actually pretty small)

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From: SuperSayian | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:54:12 PM
WOW, so that is how you do the TBJ.... Oh, now it works in my head. Great job on the videos!

PS: If you need more space for videos email me, I have an idea. (leuckinc@hotmail.com)

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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:54:22 PM
guys, could you look at the Plasma Beam page and tell me how it looks? I know the pics are very bad quality, but taking pictures of a TV screen is not the best thing... If I could have a capture card =/
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:56:11 PM
tlj: nice work ^^
One thing i noticed, you might want to change the Ultimate Challenge 29% to a 27%.

And zell and i were talking, and i was thinking about trying to get every item i could without killing thardus. I'd like to see how many etanks / missiles i can get before taking out that sucker ;)
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 10:59:09 PM
Psst...anyone see the new update yet? (Yeah, I know I'm begging for attention) ;)

I was just reading over it after I last posted, in fact, and at first, I had forgotten that I read most of the earlier version, too! <:-) (No wonder this sounded so familiar) It's very cool. I may give it a try sometime and see how I do living up to the time the FAQ promises.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 11:02:44 PM
Not too shabby, zell! Good idea to add in the pictures. The last one showing the spider ball block looks especially good.
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/30/2003 11:04:00 PM
Hmm, I'm not figuring out this Magma Pool thing - I died while trying to find a way up the other side. I found that wreckage in the center, and tried finding other ways around it, but it's apparently not cooperating with me right now :P

Also do you think I should alter the time I wrote up - that's without stopping to scan anything, even though I included all scans in there. The only thing I scanned was the Parasite Queen to get that timestamp.

banks: that's the one thing I forgot to do, was change it from 29 to 27. In whatever I update next, that'll get done.

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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 11:12:39 PM
well, now that you mention it, it might be nice to see both times (with and without scans) if you have 'em readily available. I don't think it's a big deal though.

yeah, the wreckage in the middle is the stuff I was trying to space jump off of (unsuccessfully), but the block you need to bomb jump off is right in front of the ledge. Go all the way to just in front of the ledge, staying maybe to the left side-ish of the room, then turn to the right when you reach the edge of the ledge and sink down into the lava so you can see underneath, and you should spot a little block that's prime tbjm material.
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/30/2003 11:21:58 PM
So for 27%, we don't get that early Power Bomb Expansion in Phendrana, since we need the main one to fight Phazon Elite? If you're willing to add a percentage point, it might cut time down even more to go ahead and grab that early Expansion, just to avoid a backtracking trip to get the X-Ray Visor...

-Tim
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 11:27:01 PM
that's correct. I tried what you suggested during my last run, too--getting expansions so I could skip the frigate, and it did seem like it saved some time. I wound up with 46% in 2:33 mission final.

hm, did you find the block to jump off of? does it seem doable to you or just no way in hell? (want to make sure it's the same one) The one I jumped off of seemed to work really well; I literally nailed in two tries and it wasn't as high a jump as I think I could have done.
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/30/2003 11:28:25 PM
er, wait; I see what you mean now about not backtracking for the x-ray visor, that is NOT what I did. Now that's an interesting idea. I think I'll try that on the next run and go through the frigate to compare results. Thanks for the suggestion.
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/30/2003 11:29:07 PM
Of course ;) Any time you manage to skip whole areas, it's going to cut off time.

I'm jumping from the one dead center, and I keep missing it by just an inch or so. I keep trying, but I keep getting freaked by the rapid energy loss, so I'm screwing up the vast majority of my TBJM's.

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 11:43:28 PM
"dead center"
Dead center of the lava pit? you DO know there's a squarish platform right in front of the ledge just under the lava, right? It shouldn't be too hard if you're doing it from the area i described.
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/30/2003 11:46:27 PM
*Hits himself in the head with a hammer*

:O... Now it's not so hard. Thanks, man. When you said the wreckage in the lava, I immediately went for the largest section (which is the one in the center). Now I could perfect this, and get the Missile Expansion outside without the Grapple, and eliminate a whole item-gathering section (!)

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/30/2003 11:51:01 PM
haha, i figured that you were doing it in the wrong area because you were having a hard time with it =p

It should be easy now :)
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From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/31/2003 1:04:10 AM
Hmm, having a bit of trouble getting those videos to work. Will they not work with Media Player 9.0? All it will say is "Connecting to codec server" or "cannot play media specified".
Pointers, please?

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From: x133SeVeNx2 | Posted: 1/31/2003 1:05:33 AM
Download DivX :)
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/31/2003 1:13:26 AM
K, I'll try that.

FYI - this is the text of the error message:

"Windows Media Player cannot play the file. The file may be formatted with an unsupported codec, or the Internet security setting on your computer is set too high. Lower your browser's security setting, and then try again."

I already checked the security setting too; but I have no idea what this "codec" they keep talking about is...

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From: Grinto | Posted: 1/31/2003 1:15:49 AM
If anyone was wondering, the Varia Suit only prevents against cold damage in Metroid Fusion, as Samus is weak against cold in that game...

So it doesn't apply to this game at all, meaning you should survive the Phendrana Drifts if anyone actually makes it there.

Also, by using the Space Jump and TBJ in the Ruins, is it possible to acquire any more Energy Tanks? Has anyone looked into that yet?
From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 1:45:30 AM
The only other e-tank you could possibly get would be in the chozo training grounds
but i think you might need a spider ball for that. Good question though, i'll check it out right now.
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 1:54:14 AM
Bleh, there's not only a wave beam door, but you also need the boost ball for the ramp. No go there. I don't think you can have more than 3 energy tanks collected before varia suit.
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From: Nny | Posted: 1/31/2003 3:00:23 AM
Banks, you have actually made it up to that ledge using only a dbjm? I gave up on that and am attempting a tbjm to get up there. If a dbjm can get me within scant millimeters of where I need to go, then doubling the height...

Anyway, so it IS possible to nab SJ before Flaghraa? You actually got it? I thought this was unconfirmed. It seems like you should be able to get to Phendrana, then, without bothering with him...
From: kip | Posted: 1/31/2003 3:11:27 AM
ok, here's a ghetto description of phazon processing without spider ball zell:

to get from bottom of the room to the middile - use the invisible platforms. you can see them with x-ray, but if you don't have it yet and you have thermal you can see the gas they emit, so jump on the gas. there's probably another way to get to the middle but this is the most simple, at least if you have one of those visors.

to get from the middle to the top - walk to the edge of the center platform with the twisty spider ball tracks. look at the big glass window and you can see that there are 2 "things" with bars on both sides of the room next to it.

what you want to do is space jump on the bar of the thing which is closest to the door to magmoor. there's room for you to fit and the bar can be landed on without sliding off. after you're on that bar, face in the direction of the glass window, lock your view and jump off the bar while moving to the right a bit (enough so that samus doesn't hit her head on anything).

next, space jump forward slightly as if you were trying to go through the upper part of the ledge. you'll stop in midair when you touch it. now simply turn away from the glass window and space jump again to one of the platforms higher up, then continue to the top of the room as it's usually done (no more tracks to deal with).

let me know if you have problems doing it or something.
From: kip | Posted: 1/31/2003 3:13:21 AM
"If a dbjm can get me within scant millimeters of where I need to go, then doubling the height..."

the thing is you can rarely get her to do the "running in midair" animation when you morph out of a tbj. maybe i'm just doing it wrong but it's important you get that one.
From: tlj9204 | Posted: 1/31/2003 9:36:35 AM
Here's one to try - though it'll be useless for the most part until someone finds a way up the Sun Tower rail minust the Spider Ball :P

In the Main Plaza, there's that Energy Tank waay up there. While working my way to the Magma Pool last night, I noticed a few ledges in and around that area. Perhaps one could get the Space Jump early, then grab that Energy Tank (along with a Missile Expansion), and if we could find a way up the Sun Tower (not likely), what if you could grab the Varia prior to Flaahgra? Wouldn't that be sweet?

When I get home tonight, I'm going to try to see if there's a workable way up to that Energy Tank...

P.S. - Amasawa, I'm almost positive that getting 28% would cut off some time since you wouldn't have to work all the way out to Tallon Overworld, grab the items, then all the way back into Phazon Mines. With the early expansion, you would go halfway in to get the main upgrade, back for the Warrior Artifact, and still only have to backtrack through about five rooms. Give it a try and tell me what you think.

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:00:07 AM
tlj- i thought i said it before but you can reach that etank by going through the room that you fight hive mecha in.
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/31/2003 10:54:34 AM
you guys tell me what you think of this..

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From: sevensc | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:09:06 AM
your new site layout there... how do you say... needs improvement. i'd be happy to help if you want any. if you don't, then thats ok too. and once again... 27% game is confirmed.

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From: DEVILBIT | Posted: 1/31/2003 11:30:44 AM
Zell:

E-mailed you something to add for the techniques section of your website. If you like.
From: kip | Posted: 1/31/2003 12:07:31 PM
uh, what's different about that layout? it looks the same (title/thanks/required/what to do/protips).

btw plasma beam before thardus = instant win.
From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/31/2003 12:21:17 PM
*looks at kip suspiciously for the starcraft-related stmt about the plasma beam Are you messing with our minds, or being serious and not intending any reference there? =)

hey zell, there's some yellow showing up in the black area of the copyright image; it looks like arcs from a radial effect or something. Maybe it doesn't show up well on your screen? Might want to see if you can get rid of it. I like the look of the images on the bottom though.

hard for me to judge the stuff along the top; I'm stuck with 8x6 resolution on a small monitor, so to me it looks really big, but I'm sure it looks better in 1024x768 & up. I'm all for any changes you wanna make to the layout, so this stuff looks fine by me. As long as you're not going to put a big naked picture of Anna Nicole Smith on there or something like that, I mean.
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/31/2003 1:49:20 PM
kip- it shouldn't look the same way.. =/ you sure you looked at the -=template=-.html file?

amasawa- hum.. i wont put a naked pics or this girl.. maybe one of samus though? ;)
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/31/2003 1:50:47 PM
oh and I'll add the spring l-lock jump technique too, but i'll try to finish my layout before, thanks for sending it DEVILBIT. and it's short but well explained, it helped me understand it (i did not before) even though I used it without knowing...
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 2:14:47 PM
http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid/-=template=-.html
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 3:28:33 PM
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From: kip | Posted: 1/31/2003 3:43:14 PM
zell, did you try phazon processing yet? did you get up to the top? you guys need to get up there so you can make a better explanation for me.

also this thread is going to lock soon, so... any ideas of what to start on for the next thread? what to talk about? i'm running out of ideas on how to lower the % and stuff (that and i'm busy trying to get all s ranks in dmc 2). geniuses eventually have to give their brain a rest before they can come up with another earth shattering trick like plasma before thardus. ;-]

IIRC no one tested reloading the sunchamber with space jump early. except i still don't get how you'd make the ghost appear in sun tower access since you're too close to the door to make it reload (and if you fall down you don't go back up...).
From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/31/2003 3:55:27 PM
Hmm... banks and/or zell, I can't reach your site for some reason. Do you know why its down? Thanks... oh and also, banks, we should still make a 3rd topic, after all, who knows what else we might find. Didn't we discover more stuff in this topic? Oh and if you need to rest your brain lol, go right ahead: you've certainly earned it. Just don't stay away too long...
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/31/2003 3:57:07 PM
kip- I did not have time to try it. I finished the design and uploaded it. And I work tonight =( When I get time I'll try it.

For the next thread, I don't have any ideas either... I think we should keep the same Topic Title, but in the first post we should give my website's URL and a brief resumé of the tricks we have so far.
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From: The Leech | Posted: 1/31/2003 3:58:19 PM
Damnit!!! ;_; The site isn't working. (Not the player, the site. It says "Page not found".) ;_;
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 3:59:52 PM
Sounds like a good plan to me Zell. The topic should give a list of the found tricks, as well as a link to your site for better / more indepth explanations.
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/31/2003 4:03:17 PM
I have no idea why the site doesn't want to load... ='(
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/31/2003 4:03:33 PM
Rest up, genius. =) We'll see you around with more earth-shattering discoveries, I'm betting.

I haven't tried your no spider ball to climb the phazon processing center yet because I've been scratching my head trying to find a way up w/o it in Metroid Quarantine A. The only things I'm finding there are jack and **** though... and jack left town, so I'm probably just gonna mess around with some different speed run ideas for a while.

It wouldn't be a terrible waste of time to figure out if there's some way through the twin fires tunnel headed toward the geothermal core, since it would be interesting to mess with for some different things for speed runs, entering the research labs from the back way for the first time, and so forth. I wouldn't mind seeing if it's possible to get the super missile and ice beam without the boost ball--if that were possible, I think you could get around the rest of the spinners in the game. Haven't tested getting artifact of strength yet but it might be doable. Problem is you can't transform it into a low percent run since you'd need to pick up a power bomb expansion to open the back route in order to do that. There's lots of unanswered questions there that don't lead to something very great, but I keep thinking about it and trying things from time to time with varied success.

I can't seem to pull off getting the space jump early to save my life, so I've given up on it. Sounds a bit out of my league with regards to degree of trickiness.
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From: kip | Posted: 1/31/2003 4:06:27 PM
i could've been dreaming but i'm pretty sure i've space jumped through twin fires before (to get to geothermal core).

thing is i think you need the gravity suit because it won't pull you down when you try to space jump. that's important for getting up on the other side. i haven't been able to do it without gravity... but maybe you can, i didn't try very hard.
From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/31/2003 4:09:16 PM
Amasawa - you're betting?? Nobody who has been following this post would take that bet. ;)
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From: kip | Posted: 1/31/2003 4:12:17 PM
oh, i do some more things i just remembered for people to try:

- get from the first floor of ore processing to the second without using the spider ball.

- get from the third floor to the top (the one with the grapple beam/waste disposal doors) without using the spider ball.

i can easily get from the second to third floor by space jumping on top of the blue track, then space jumping again. but what i'm unsure of is if you can get anywhere else... i've tried everything but i just can't get enough height to jump from the third floor to top.

and i have no idea how to get from the first floor to the second... although now that i know about that space jump trick of devilbit's there may be a way, not sure though.

i also need to try great tree hall to life grove without spider ball some time. still no idea about metroid quarantine A.
From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/31/2003 4:19:53 PM
Another update on my speed run, I'm at the save point off the super missile room at 57 minutes. I'm thinking this is quite good....
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From: kip | Posted: 1/31/2003 4:25:20 PM
sounds good to me, especially if you got the ice beam already.
From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/31/2003 4:33:33 PM
By the way, everyone, if you haven't already, go look at l2ag3's topic (alternate ice beam method)
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From: The Leech | Posted: 1/31/2003 4:39:49 PM
*Prays that the site will be up agaoin soon*
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From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/31/2003 4:51:55 PM
Saved right before thardus, with plasma and gravity, 1:08...I've got good feelings about this run =P
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From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:20:49 PM
1:24
I'm saved in the landing site, about to do the frigate. I've got the 2 artifacts in magmoor, sunchamber artifact, tower of light artifact, ice temple artifact, 1 power bomb, 5 health expansions, 30 missiles. How am I doing? Btw, as you guys have discussed before, my route involves using the power bomb to get the xray visor before entering the phazon mines, as well as getting the grappling beam on the way through (which I'm debating just leaving it, cept that I really suck at a few jumps in the phazon mines...). So yeah, I basically do NO backtracking in the mines, other than to get newborn, and to get the warrior artifact after OP.

Amasawa:ok, you know how you can get newborn before OP with a lot of health and such? How much health do you need? Aka, could I do it with 6-7 e tanks in less time than it would take me to backtrack to it after OP?
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From: Swimmerboy | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:22:51 PM
almost 500 messages, u may need to start a "Ice Beam + Gravity Suit before Thardus using Triple Jump (v. 3.0) soon!
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:28:27 PM
you'll go through at least 10 tanks by the time you're through and that's a conservative estimate (it takes me more than 13 tanks worth), so you're better off backtracking for it quickly. As long as you run like hell past everything you can, it shouldn't eat up much more time though.

Sounds like your time is pretty awesome if you ask me. I'm very curious to see where you'll wind up with the order you're picking things up in.
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:28:27 PM
funkytoad- Newborn before OP is long to do because you have to go to the adjacent rooms to gather health and refill your energy tanks. Do not use it in a speed run. Go read this section on my website (whenever it is back online)
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From: The Leech | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:34:10 PM
w00000000000000000000t!!! I FINALLY got the Ice Beam w/ l2ag3's method. Its INCREDIBLY EASY that way! w00t! Now for the Plasma...
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:35:47 PM
my site is back online. i'll add the new technique soon.
oh and my site is hosted on 2 different sites now, use whichever you want (the vids are not up yet on the 2nd one)

http://membres.lycos.fr/zell99/metroid
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:36:20 PM
Zell's site is back up, go check it out.
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From: DragonSnakeKing | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:37:11 PM
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From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:46:46 PM
I'm never going to be able to look at this game the same way... oh, btw, nice vids zell
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From: zell99 | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:51:54 PM
thanks blackChocobo

I agree that I will never look at this game the same way. The first time I finished it, I thought it was the more linear game I've ever played. I guess you'll all agree that before we found all those tricks, it was VERY linear, except the artifact gathering route. Now, with all the tricks we've discovered in the past weeks, the game offers so much different paths, item gathering order, etc.. It's scary the progress we've made. I want to congratulate everyone who contributed to making those discoveries. Sincerely.

Oh and I'm uploading the new Ice Beam trick (in the Ice Beam section) in just a few minutes. And I have it on vid, will probably be able to upload it tomorrow.. we'll see
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From: Amasawa | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:53:47 PM
that is way cool, really nice find. here's to picking more discoveries out of a kick-ass game *toasts in l2ag3's honor
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From: sevensc | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:54:43 PM
hey there. this is for zell99, i love what your doing with you site but it is a little less than i think it could be. the main down fall is the width, it is hard to view on lower resolutions, if you want, you can have or i can help you with a site with a slimer desighn that i threw together this afternoon in about an hour. see if you like it:

http://primediscoveries.tripod.com/

please note it is in it's early stages and no ifo is posted but the links work as far as i know.
From: theBlackChocobo | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:55:12 PM
You go zell!! lol
Also, I just thought of one more thing... maybe you should make videos for the tricky rooms? If they are tricky, you know... it would make sense.
Well, I'm gone for a while, probably the rest of the day, so congrats everyone, especially l2ag3 and zell, today's heroes ;)
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 5:55:22 PM
lol, just when i thought we had found everything too. Something just happens to pop up~
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 6:04:03 PM
kip, amasawa, anyone else- i need help, i'm starting a mission to collect every item possible before destroying thardus. Help me forumlate a list of items you can get > thardus (missle expansions/pbombs/etanks etc.)
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From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/31/2003 6:31:09 PM
It would probably be quicker to make a list of things you can't get before thardus...
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From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/31/2003 6:43:23 PM
Well, that leech dude started a 3rd topic, but I say we ignore it. He's done nothing...o_O;

So, Banks said it would be fine, could I make the 3rd topic? If someone's got a problem with it, please say so.
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From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 6:45:36 PM
i know of a missle expansion you can get before flaagra but you can get it after space jump anyways...
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From: rpggamerjmb | Posted: 1/31/2003 6:46:02 PM
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From: buckskin 2000 | Posted: 1/31/2003 6:46:28 PM
I am making this post to say i dnt care about the before stuff and to make it closer to abolishment.
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From: l2ag3 | Posted: 1/31/2003 6:49:14 PM
why dont we all make a FAQ of all the upgrade/missle expansions/energy tanks/power bombs you can get before your supposed to?
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 6:49:26 PM
sweet
that means i can get you moderated for off-topic posting.
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From: The Leech | Posted: 1/31/2003 6:59:24 PM
Well, that leech dude started a 3rd topic, but I say we ignore it. He's done nothing...o_O;

So, Banks said it would be fine, could I make the 3rd topic? If someone's got a problem with it, please say so.

Thats not nice. o_O

Anyways, I think ether kip or Banks should start it, since they were the ones whe started this whole phenomenom.
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From: funkytoad | Posted: 1/31/2003 7:01:02 PM
Banks had a topic, Kip's not here...
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From: rpggamerjmb | Posted: 1/31/2003 7:08:31 PM
ba ba bump
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 1/31/2003 7:11:28 PM
This topic is now closed. Please refer to the v.3.0 topic for further information.
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