Current Obstacles to Skipping Items - Revision history

SheeEttin: major reformatting

2006-06-26T16:54:39Z

major reformatting

XtraX at 10:26, 13 June 2006

2006-06-13T10:26:03Z

XtraX at 16:37, 12 June 2006

2006-06-12T16:37:48Z

Doninss: Clarified update.

2005-06-11T14:12:15Z

Clarified update.

Doninss: Spider ball update

2005-06-11T05:02:52Z

Spider ball update

Edward Tohr: Added Grapple beam to skippable items section

2005-05-07T05:23:12Z

Added Grapple beam to skippable items section

MMcLean54: Should we completely eliminate the Grapple Beam section of this page?

2005-05-06T19:34:35Z

Should we completely eliminate the Grapple Beam section of this page?

Skreemaster: Added Grapple skip

2005-05-04T20:02:15Z

Added Grapple skip

Baby Sheegoth at 19:18, 9 April 2005

2005-04-09T19:18:44Z

MMcLean54 at 00:13, 21 February 2005

2005-02-21T00:13:47Z

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-''Last Updated 06/12/06''
+''Last Updated 06/26/06''<br /><br />
-'''Unskippable Items'''
+=== Light/Dark Beams, PBs, Missiles, Bombs, Light Suit ===
-'''Light/Dark Beams, PBs, Missiles, Bombs, Light Suit, Dark Visor'''
+:All needed in multiple locations.  Chance of skipping these is likely 0.
-- All needed in multiple locations.  Chance of skipping these is likely 0.
+=== Screw Attack ===
-'''Screw Attack'''
+:One sky Temple key prevents this skip. A SW in the Dark Plain of Worship would solve this.
-- Needed in Ing Hive Temple (a non-SA-SW in the Ing Hive Energy controller room would solve this)
+=== Boost Ball ===
--Needed to reach Emperor Ing
+:Needed for getting Seeker Missiles
-'''Seeker Missiles'''
+:Needed for Emperor Ing II
-- One sky Temple key prevents this skip. A SW in the Dark Plain of Worship would solve this.
+=== Amber Translator ===
-'''Boost Ball'''
+=== Violet Translator ===
--Needed for getting Seeker Missiles
+:Required for entering/leaving Agon
--Needed for beating the Spider Guardian
+== Items which can be skipped, but not for low % ==
--Needed for getting Screw Attack
+=== Space Jump ===
-'''Spiderball'''
+:The Dark Suit is required to skip the Annihilator beam.
-'''Amber Translator'''
+=== Dark Suit and Annihilator ===
-Needed to escape Agon Temple after aquiring Bombs. A Secret World in the acessable rooms which requires Bombs only would skip this item.
+:Though it has yet to be proven, it might be possible to skip Dark Suit instead of Annihilator using MBI.
-'''Violet Translator'''
+=== Gravity Boost, early Power Bomb and Super Missiles ===
-Required for entering/leaving Agon
+:It is possible to skip Gravity Boost; Power Bombs are not required to do so.
-'''Items which can be skipped, but not for low %'''
+:Skippable Items are:
-'''Space Jump'''
+:Returning the energy to Agon and Torvus can be skipped (but not Sanctuary; that triggers the Light Suit).
-I don't know where this would be required, but skipping it with all these other items seems unlikely...
+:The keys for the Ing Hive can be skipped by getting over the Ing Hive key gate blocking you from Quadraxis. ''(see [[Skipping the Ing Hive Keys]])''
+:The Caretaker Drone can be skipped by getting the [[Early Screw Attack|Screw Attack early]].
-'''Dark Suit'''
-−
--The Dark Suit is required for the Annihilator skip.
-−
-−
-−
-'''Dark Suit and Annihilator'''
-−
--Though it has to be proven yet, it might be possible to skip Dark Suit instead of Annihilator using MBI.
-−
--Boost Guardian can be beaten using an early Power Bomb, so this would require skipping the Super Missile.
-−
--Quadraxis has to be tested yet.
-−
-−
-−
-'''Gravity Boost, early Power Bomb and Super Missiles'''
-−
--It is possible to skip Gravity Boost; Power Bombs are not required to do so.
-−
--It is possible to get a Power Bomb expansion quite early.
-−
--It is seemingly possible to skip Super Missiles, but it hasn't been done yet, because everybody hates Echoes.
-−
--Skipping Super Missiles requires an early Power Bomb to get the Lower Torvus key.
-−
--It is necessary to get the Main Power Bomb to have the Sky Temple key in Dark Oasis spawn. So skipping Super Missile doesn't lower the lowest %.
-−
--It is possible to get the Main Power Bomb early, but that's only after killing Chykka.
-−
-−
-−
-'''Notes:'''
-−
-−
-- Skippable Items are '''Grapple Beam, Space Jump, Annihilator, Gravity boost, Dark Suit, Super Missiles, Echo Visor, Cobalt Translator, Emerald Translator'''
-−
-- Amorbis, and therefore the Dark Agon keys can be skipped when skipping the Dark Suit.
-−
-- Returning the energy to Agon and Torvus can be skipped (but not Sanctuary, for that triggers Light Suit).
-−
-- The keys for the Ing Hive can be skipped by getting over the Ing Hive key gate blocking you from Quadraxis. See [[Skipping the Ing Hive Keys]].
-−
-- The Caretaker Drone can be skipped by getting [[Early Screw Attack|Screw Attack early]].

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−	- Skippable Items are '''Grapple Beam, Space Jump, Annihilator~~, Super Missiles~~, Gravity boost, Dark Suit, Super Missiles, Echo Visor, Cobalt Translator, Emerald Translator'''	+	- Skippable Items are '''Grapple Beam, Space Jump, Annihilator, Gravity boost, Dark Suit, Super Missiles, Echo Visor, Cobalt Translator, Emerald Translator'''

	- Amorbis, and therefore the Dark Agon keys can be skipped when skipping the Dark Suit.		- Amorbis, and therefore the Dark Agon keys can be skipped when skipping the Dark Suit.

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-''Last Updated 05/05/05''
+''Last Updated 06/12/06''
-<s>- Only needed for the room prior to the Vault (room you get Screw Attack in).  Methods have been found to bypass all other grapple points.
+'''Unskippable Items'''
-- Alternatively, figure out how to skip Screw Attack (as described below) and solve reaching the Energy Controller room in Sanctuary Temple.</s>
+'''Light/Dark Beams, PBs, Missiles, Bombs, Light Suit, Dark Visor'''
-''update:'' Grapple Beam has now been skipped by robot jumping by kip.
+- All needed in multiple locations.  Chance of skipping these is likely 0.
-'''Gravity Boost'''
+'''Screw Attack'''
-- Dark Tovus Key 2 prevents this skip.  Either reaching Sanctuary early, defeating the PB Guardian without Spider Ball, reaching the Dark World portal without Gravity Boost then leaving Light Torvus without Gravity Boost, or secret worlding to the key are the only known possible and plausible solutions to reaching the key without Gravity Boost.
+- Needed in Ing Hive Temple (a non-SA-SW in the Ing Hive Energy controller room would solve this)
 '''Seeker Missiles'''
-- Gates blocking the path from Torvus to Sanctuary.  These include Sacred Bridge, and the second room past Sanctuary Entrance.  You can not see the seeker targets for these gates without Dark Visor; however, you can damage seeker targets without Dark Visor on.
+- One sky Temple key prevents this skip. A SW in the Dark Plain of Worship would solve this.
 '''Boost Ball'''
-- Needed to enter Sanctuary (1st room in Sanc.) We might be able to get the early PBs in feeding pit early then use it to to get into sanc early w/o Boost Ball? (VIA Agon Temple Light Beam door)
+-Needed for getting Seeker Missiles
 '''Spiderball'''
-- Needed for various rooms still, PB Guardian, and potentially Emperor Ing form 2.  Not needed for Quadraxis. Not needed for Dynamo Access (stand on rim of pole on either side, space jump up through spiderball track, Babie Sheegoth for that one)
+-Needed for Emperor Ing II
-''update''<br>Okay, so I was messing around on my AR with the moonjump and Infinite health/ammo codes to figure out what could and couldn't be skipped when I found out the hard way that the spiderball cannot be skipped.  I had been playing for about an hour without saving when I just beat Quadraxis and was about to leave the sanctuary when I thought, maybe I should get the Sky Temple keys first.  So I went through the spider ball boss sequence, didn't pick up the item, and power bombed the door to enter the dark world in order to get the sky temple key.  Got the key and came back when I realized:<br>1. The spider ball pickup was gone and:<br>2.  All of the energy thingys the spider guardian had destroyed were back, thus blocking my exit. <br>I'm not sure if this would have been different if I had left the room out the entrance before I opened the power bomb door, but I'm almost positive that this spells the end for any possibility of skipping the spider ball...<br>
+'''Amber Translator'''
-<vanishes to attempt to make up an hour's worth of lost work>
-''update''<br>I entered the spider puzzle from the back side (moonjump) before entering Main Gyro. There were no "energy things", and no Spidey. I had no dark visor, but I entered the room with the key, then returned to the light world. Still no Spidey or puzzle. When I entered Main Gyro then returned to Dynamo Works, the energy things had appeared.<br>
+Needed to escape Agon Temple after aquiring Bombs. A Secret World in the acessable rooms which requires Bombs only would skip this item.
-'''Dark Visor'''
+'''Violet Translator'''
-- Needed to see and damage Ing Hive Caches holding sky temple keys.  Summised they only exist when the dark visor is on in a manner akin to how Omega Pirate is only damagable when X-ray is on in Metroid Prime 1.
+Required for entering/leaving Agon
-'''Light/Dark Beams, PBs, Super Missiles, Missiles, Bombs, Space Jump, Light Suit'''
+'''Items which can be skipped, but not for low %'''
-'''Translator Doors'''
+'''Space Jump'''
 '''Notes:'''
-- The only known "skippable" required items (that counts as %) are the Echo Visor, the Grapple Beam, and the Dark Suit but the Dark Suit requires additional energy tank pickups to complete the game.  Thus, higher percent completion when skipped. See [[Light Suit without Dark Suit]]
 - Amorbis, and therefore the Dark Agon keys can be skipped when skipping the Dark Suit.
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 - The Caretaker Drone can be skipped by getting [[Early Screw Attack|Screw Attack early]].

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 <vanishes to attempt to make up an hour's worth of lost work>
-''update''<br>I entered the spider puzzle from the back side (moonjump) before entering Main Gyro. There were no energy things, and no Spidey. I had no dark visor, but I entered the room with the key, then returned to the light world. Still no Spidey or puzzle.<br>
+''update''<br>I entered the spider puzzle from the back side (moonjump) before entering Main Gyro. There were no "energy things", and no Spidey. I had no dark visor, but I entered the room with the key, then returned to the light world. Still no Spidey or puzzle. When I entered Main Gyro then returned to Dynamo Works, the energy things had appeared.<br>
 '''Dark Visor'''

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 ''update''<br>Okay, so I was messing around on my AR with the moonjump and Infinite health/ammo codes to figure out what could and couldn't be skipped when I found out the hard way that the spiderball cannot be skipped.  I had been playing for about an hour without saving when I just beat Quadraxis and was about to leave the sanctuary when I thought, maybe I should get the Sky Temple keys first.  So I went through the spider ball boss sequence, didn't pick up the item, and power bombed the door to enter the dark world in order to get the sky temple key.  Got the key and came back when I realized:<br>1. The spider ball pickup was gone and:<br>2.  All of the energy thingys the spider guardian had destroyed were back, thus blocking my exit. <br>I'm not sure if this would have been different if I had left the room out the entrance before I opened the power bomb door, but I'm almost positive that this spells the end for any possibility of skipping the spider ball...<br>
 <vanishes to attempt to make up an hour's worth of lost work>
 '''Dark Visor'''

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	- Alternatively, figure out how to skip Screw Attack (as described below) and solve reaching the Energy Controller room in Sanctuary Temple.		- Alternatively, figure out how to skip Screw Attack (as described below) and solve reaching the Energy Controller room in Sanctuary Temple.
		+
		+	''update:'' Grapple Beam has now been skipped by robot jumping by kip.

	'''Screw Attack'''		'''Screw Attack'''